Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The physical glorified body even after the ressurrection was not omnipresent (everywhere at once...)
What about after his ascencion?

I'd hate to have seen everyone die because Jesus' glorified physical body suddenly was taking up the same space as their heart... but they didn't. Jesus in his glorified body wasn't omnipresent.

He is now right?


This is kinda God-ish now right?....


14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:


Kinda looks different than the pre- ascended Jesus right?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes, that is what I think the Bible is trying to teach us. If I am wrong, so be it. I know how to teach the way standard oneness teaches also. I can easily go back to that. I can go back to the devine/man concept if I must. But I need a few questions answered first.

Standard oneness says Jesus became God at conception, I just think it was after his death.

I think we both we both can agree that he did not preexist, right?


BTW, are you folks surprised?

I have been saying this since day 1 on AFF. I debated Prax AND Luke with my concept. (In all fairness, I am "testing" my position on learned brethren)

Thanks. I believe that the God (the Father) that indwelled the man born of the virgin Mary pre-existed from eternity as the only true God. The man born of Mary existed in the mind and plan of God as the Word, Logos.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Thanks. I believe that the God (the Father) that indwelled the man born of the virgin Mary pre-existed from eternity as the only true God. The man born of Mary existed in the mind and plan of God as the Word, Logos.

What you have just said is EXACTLY how I see it!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Thanks. I believe that the God (the Father) that indwelled the man born of the virgin Mary pre-existed from eternity as the only true God. The man born of Mary existed in the mind and plan of God as the Word, Logos.

So please tell us about this God that pre existed that was not Jesus. Does anyone know him today?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So please tell us about this God that pre existed that was not Jesus. Does anyone know him today?

Never said that. The only God that ever existed had MANY names and titles in the OT (in the NT He has only one saving name, Jesus Acts 4:12). I personally believe that God's name from eternity, that God kept secret until revealed in the NT, was Jesus and was revealed by His Son (God's physical fleshly manifestation) John 5:43/I Timothy 3:16.

[Sean]

Awesome post A-N

[Abiding Now]

And... I might add all of God that we will ever see is what God manifested in the man Jesus, born of the virgin Mary.


Hebrew 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrew 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrew 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Hebrew 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.


Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

[Michael The Disciple]

He is both the image of God and God himself.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

He is both the image of God and God himself.

So, the flesh, the express image, that was born of Mary was God? J/W

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Prax, I am not unitarian. Bernard speaks of my idea on the post I mentioned already. I said that Jesus became Almighty God after the ascention. Unitarians say Jesus is not and never will be God, ever. You are flat out lying and are purposely misrepresenting me here to try to make me look bad.(its a smear tactic) I know exactly what you are up to. I know that is your style. If things get tough, you will say whatever makes you look better than your opponent.

Unitarians, like the one called "SRM" on AFF, do NOT believe that Jesus is God at all.

I believe Jesus is GOD, right now as we speak.

You must stop lying to try to make a point.

Thats how politicians win elections, but thats a sin either way.

Bernard does not say Jesus became God

Unitarians don't believe the Son is God at all. The twist is you believe He became God

Im not lying to make a point. I have quoted you and accurately represented what you have said.

If you disagree then please reword it.

The issue is not whether or not Jesus is God. You seem to believe it is but it is not

The issue is you seem to believe Jesus and the Father are not the same PERSON and that one of those persons was not God while here on earth but became God after the resurrection

That is the issue, two persons. One is God and one was not, with the twist you've added of the one that is not becoming God later on