The command to repent is a command to turn back to God. One can only turn back to God (i.e., repent) THROUGH faith in the risen Christ. One can only turn back to God by trusting in the fact that Christ, 2000 years ago, removed that which kept us separated from God. We can return to fellowship with God because Christ's death resulted in the remission of our sins before God. Having obtained forgiveness of our sins Christ was brought back to life and now sits on the right hand of God forever declaring God's historic forgiveness of our sins. #278
To understand with the heart and 'convert' in Isaiah 6:10 meant to 'return to God in faith' or to 'repent.' To "be healed” meant to be 'made whole' or to have one's conscience 'purged from sin.' It meant to experience forgiveness.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert (i.e., repent), and be healed (i.e., experience forgiveness).
Those who repented would experience forgiveness.
Mark 4:11-12 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. #239
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
The topic is all sin is remittted at the cross before I was born.
those who baptize for remission (as the word of God says) live in unbelief in the power of the cross....
please note, that second part means I am a heritic, seperated from God with no access to him...as according to a later post by Adino, unbelief is the only unpardonable sin...(wich I now think may be where he wanted to go in the first place but that would be for him to admit)
I understand part of what you are getting at and I have to agree. Adino's opening post condemned almost all of Christianity. It did so by this reasoning:
1. Unbelief is the unpardonable sin.
2. Those who believe in sin remission at baptism don't believe in the remitting work of the cross which is true belief. (The same could be said of those who believe it comes at traditional repentance)
3. Therefore, Those who believe in sin remission at baptism OR repentance don't believe in the remitting work of the cross and are thus in unbelief which is the unpardonable sin.
So, by the same measure I would judge a 3 stepper as condemning most of all Christians (and boy would I be right on them for implying such a thing)... by that same measure I am now with Ferd on judging Adino's opening post as wrong.
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I understand part of what you are getting at and I have to agree. Adino's opening post condemned almost all of Christianity. It did so by this reasoning:
1. Unbelief is the unpardonable sin.
2. Those who believe in sin remission at baptism don't believe in the remitting work of the cross which is true belief. (The same could be said of those who believe it comes at traditional repentance)
3. Therefore, Those who believe in sin remission at baptism OR repentance don't believe in the remitting work of the cross and are thus in unbelief which is the unpardonable sin.
So, by the same measure I would judge a 3 stepper as condemning most of all Christians (and boy would I be right on them for implying such a thing)... by that same measure I am now with Ferd on judging Adino's opening post as wrong.
I wanted to add that while I know Adino wasn't condemning those people it appears his doctrines logical end may be very similiar to the 3-step doctrines logical end. Personally I hope this can be avoided because his view has alot of promise. However, as it stands Ferd did read between the lines on Adino's post correctly. If not believing the record that God gave of his Son is the unpardonable sin and if one believes that God gave the record that Jesus' death forgave all sins then it only seems logical to say anything short of believing that Jesus' death forgave all sins would fall under not believing the record God gave of his Son and thus would be an unpardonable sin.
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