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Old 11-12-2007, 08:03 AM
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They're not brethren unless they've obeyed Acts 2:38. Writing songs, translating Bibles, works etc. does not save anybody. OBEDIENCE (to Acts 2:38) is better than SACRIFICE.

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Old 11-12-2007, 08:12 AM
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With respect, disciple, I guess the 12 Ephesians of Acts 19 weren't "disciples" afterall. However, the Bible refers to them as "disciples" even though they had not yet been baptized or recieved the Holy Ghost. And Ananais was wrong for calling Saul "Paul" "Brother" before he obeyed Acts 2:38.

Act 19:1 ¶ And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Act 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:00 PM
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OneAccord,

Thanks for your questions.

Acts 19 makes it very clear that when Paul first encountered them they were disciples of John the Baptist. They were not followers of Christ yet. But after they understood that the apostle Paul was declaring that John the Baptist said the people should believe on him that should come after him, "they were baptised in the Name of the Lord Jesus" (Acts 19:4). Thus, they went from being disciples of John the Baptist to disciples of Jesus after baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Regarding Saul being called "Brother" by Ananias, I needn't point out that they were both Israelites, Jews by nature and therefore quite literally "brothers", even before salvation.

If you're not baptised in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues you ain't in the Body!

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Old 02-11-2011, 10:02 AM
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Re: The Trinitarian Appreciation Thread - We Thank

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...If you're not baptised in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues you ain't in the Body! ...!
That was the opinion of some Oneness Pentecostals in 1945 when the UPC was formed.

Apostolics had taught for years that salvation was a separate experience from water baptism and/or Spirit baptism. Those who received the Holy Ghost Baptism (HGB) in Topeka, Houston, Los Angeles, etc. did not consider themselves more saved after the HGB than before. After the revelation of Jesus' name and the re-baptism by many, they did not consider themselves any more saved after water than baptism than before.

Over time, some, then many, began to teach that water baptism was essential to salvation and that the HGB was essential to salvation. This was an innovation and was not the doctrine of the earlier "Apostolic Faith."

By the time of the merger there were differences of opinion among the brethren as to just how and when a person was born again. The fundamental doctrine statement was written ambiguously enough to accommodate both opinions which we have since called "one-step" and "three-step."

It is my opinion that we should not make "one-step" or "three-step" doctrine a criteria for fellowship.

I happen to be a one-stepper and because of that I can accept anyone who has called on the name of the Lord as a brother or sister and fellow member of the Church, the Family of God, the Body of Christ, or the Kingdom. I know good people (Lutherans, Roman Catholic, and Oneness Pentecostal) who believe water baptism is the birth of water in John 3:5 and that the HGB is the birth of the Spirit in John 3:5. I respect them but just don't see it that way. As a matter of fact, the last church I preached in is pastored by a very strong one-stepper. I made sure he understood how I believed before I went there and he was OK with it --but he didn't agree with me.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:08 AM
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If I can think of some good things a bunch of Mormons did, should I come up with a "Mormon Appreciation Thread" ?

(Ok, fine.)

While I'm working on that, can someone please start up a "Jehovah's Witness Appreciation Thread" ? Thanks.

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Re: The Trinitarian Appreciation Thread - We Thank

because That Other Thread Was Bumped ....
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because That Other Thread Was Bumped ....
Now, about that "girls leggings" thread....
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Re: The Trinitarian Appreciation Thread - We Thank

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Re: The Trinitarian Appreciation Thread - We Thank

I guess I don't get the thread. I don't see a big gulf of "us" and "them." The Christians that translated the Bible are fellow Christians. Not "them."
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I guess I don't get the thread. I don't see a big gulf of "us" and "them." The Christians that translated the Bible are fellow Christians. Not "them."
I guess some context is needed here. This thread was started. 3 yrs ago in response to Steve Epley's notorious "All Trinitarians Are Going to Hell" thread
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