UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Charnock

"One of the reasons the pastor gave James Driver as grounds to biblically remarry was that James Driver once found his then-wife Angela Driver wearing a bikini at a swimming pool while with the husband of a mutual friend. The pastor felt that constituted exhibitionism and met the biblical definition of fornication, according to the defense summary."

Read more: http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187...#ixzz0tbOgcncY

This is a seriously dangerous mindset. I would rather live in what was the Soviet Union than have someone make these types of judgments in the name of God.

And no I don't want everyone to wear bikinis...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

So swimsuits are now "fornication"? Thats just weird, I don't care who you are.

If uncut hair can give you power and authority to summon angels
and modest clothing gives you power before the throne ....

then most definitely swimsuits are fornication ...
and divorces justifiable for mixed bathing.

welcome to the 21st century world of radical, jihadist Apostolica.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by DAII

If uncut hair can give you power and authority to summon angels
and modest clothing gives you power before the throne ....

then most definitely swimsuits are fornication ...
and divorces justifiable for mixed bathing.

welcome to the 21st century world of radical, jihadist Apostolica.

Negative Dan Drudge. Only a small minority accept this junk.

IMO the greatest nod this stuff gets is silence by the majority. No one wants to be the one to speak up and make the waves...

[Pressing-On]

If I, as a Conservative woman, was at the pool side with a man who was NOT my husband and dressed in a bikini, I would wager to say, I had already been doing something to get me there. Just sayin'.....

So, we are finding this to be acceptable dress in mixed company? Am I understanding that to be true? If so, I remember when we used to walk away from things, now it appears we are walking back to a place we, once, wanted to leave behind. The spiraling down of modesty. Who would have thunk? I should have stayed a Catholic. I could wear a bikini, get drunk and still be saved. I must be getting the raw end of the deal - ya think? LOL!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I, as a Conservative woman, was at the pool side with a man who was NOT my husband and dressed in a bikini, I would wager to say, I had already been doing something to get me there. Just sayin'.....

So, we are finding this to be acceptable dress in mixed company? Am I understanding that to be true? If so, I remember when we used to walk away from things, now it appears we are walking back to a place we, once, wanted to leave behind. The spiraling down of modesty. Who would have thunk? I should have stayed a Catholic. I could wear a bikini, get drunk and still be saved. I must be getting the raw end of the deal - ya think? LOL!

No one wears bikinis in our family... and yet I can think of many times I/we were in the same vicinity as those who were. Beach, street, in the homes of my customers... Never crossed my mind that they were fornicators.

And remember, the issue is not so much about what we should be wearing, but a pastor saying it is fornication, and constitutes reason for divorce. That's scary and far more questionable than the swimsuit it'self.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I, as a Conservative woman, was at the pool side with a man who was NOT my husband and dressed in a bikini, I would wager to say, I had already been doing something to get me there. Just sayin'.....

So, we are finding this to be acceptable dress in mixed company? Am I understanding that to be true? If so, I remember when we used to walk away from things, now it appears we are walking back to a place we, once, wanted to leave behind. The spiraling down of modesty. Who would have thunk? I should have stayed a Catholic. I could wear a bikini, get drunk and still be saved. I must be getting the raw end of the deal - ya think? LOL!

Well as a good kool aid-drinking Catholic you could always blame the parents of pedophile victims for allowing their kids to be alone with the man of God.

Blame the victim

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I, as a Conservative woman, was at the pool side with a man who was NOT my husband and dressed in a bikini, I would wager to say, I had already been doing something to get me there. Just sayin'.....

So, we are finding this to be acceptable dress in mixed company? Am I understanding that to be true? If so, I remember when we used to walk away from things, now it appears we are walking back to a place we, once, wanted to leave behind. The spiraling down of modesty. Who would have thunk? I should have stayed a Catholic. I could wear a bikini, get drunk and still be saved. I must be getting the raw end of the deal - ya think? LOL!

No girls in my household are going to be wearing bikinis. But, wearing a bikini is not fornication, or adultery, which is what this woman was accused of.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I, as a Conservative woman, was at the pool side with a man who was NOT my husband and dressed in a bikini, I would wager to say, I had already been doing something to get me there. Just sayin'.....

So, we are finding this to be acceptable dress in mixed company? Am I understanding that to be true? If so, I remember when we used to walk away from things, now it appears we are walking back to a place we, once, wanted to leave behind. The spiraling down of modesty. Who would have thunk? I should have stayed a Catholic. I could wear a bikini, get drunk and still be saved. I must be getting the raw end of the deal - ya think? LOL!

But we don't know the whole story. And wearing a bikini is not fornication.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I, as a Conservative woman, was at the pool side with a man who was NOT my husband and dressed in a bikini, I would wager to say, I had already been doing something to get me there. Just sayin'.....

What? Like driving your car? Taking the bus? A cab ride to the city pool?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, we are finding this to be acceptable dress in mixed company? Am I understanding that to be true? If so, I remember when we used to walk away from things, now it appears we are walking back to a place we, once, wanted to leave behind. The spiraling down of modesty. Who would have thunk? I should have stayed a Catholic. I could wear a bikini, get drunk and still be saved. I must be getting the raw end of the deal - ya think? LOL!

It seems the marriage was on the rocks. That's the only case that needs to be made to find grounds for a divorce. And then, when the legal stuff finally drags out and is complete, both parties should be a bit wiser and just move on.

Instead, some party on the sidelines here felt that it would be "helpful" for the gentleman to "move on" if they all first dragged the ex through the mud. You can do it that way, I suppose, but it will cost ya around a half million dollars to get 'er done.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

No one wears bikinis in our family... and yet I can think of many times I/we were in the same vicinity as those who were. Beach, street, in the homes of my customers... Never crossed my mind that they were fornicators. And can I remind you - the issue is not so much about what we should be wearing, but a pastor saying it is fornication, and constitutes reason for divorce.

I agree with you Stephen. It is not fornication to wear a bikini. Secular people at the beach think that it's normal.

The issue is, why is this women dressed in this fashion when her husband is not present? The article said that James FOUND his wife, wearing a bikini with the husband of a mutual friend. That means he was SHOCKED to find her in this fashion.

I'm with Bratti - not giving her a pass no matter what the pastor did. And, yes, he should be careful how he addressed the issue. We don't know if this caused a big stink in the church and he decided to address the church body. He can do that if he wants to. My point is that she was doing something wrong in her life to end up in a bikini at a pool side with another man. To say adultery or fornication was NOT going on is also speculation.