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12-17-2015, 08:23 AM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross
The Good Samaritan:
Luk 10:25 KJV And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
JOHN GILL:
saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? the same question as was put by the young ruler in Mar_10:17 for they were both of the same complexion, and upon the same foundation, seeking eternal life by their own works: See Gill on Mat_19:16.
Luk 10:29 KJV But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
CLARKE: Willing to justify himself - Wishing to make it appear that he was a righteous man, and that consequently he was in the straight road to the kingdom of God, said, Who is my neighbor? supposing our Lord would have at once answered, “Every Jew is to be considered as such, and the Jews only.” Now as he imagined he had never been deficient in his conduct to any person of his own nation, he thought he had amply fulfilled the law. JOHN GILL: But he willing to justify himself,.... Upon the foot of his own righteousness, and to make himself appear to be righteous to others; for this the Jews thought themselves able to do, both to justify themselves before God by their own works, and make it out to men, that they were truly righteous persons; and it is a maxim with them, that
"every one המצדיק את עצמו that justifies himself, below (on earth), they justify him above (or in heaven) (k).''
ALBERT BARNES: To justify himself - Desirous to appear blameless, or to vindicate himself, and show that he had kept the law. Jesus wished to lead him to a proper view of his own sinfulness, and his real departure from the law. The man was desirous of showing that he had kept the law; or perhaps he was desirous of justifying himself for asking the question; of showing that it could not be so easily settled; that a mere reference to the “words” of the law did not determine it.
GILL noted this is similar to the issue of the rich young ruler asking the same question as about obtaining eternal life.
Mat 19:16 KJV And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
GILL: This man was no Sadducee, he believed a future state; was a serious man, thoughtful about another world, and concerned how he should enjoy everlasting life; but was entirely upon a legal bottom, and under a covenant of works; and speaks in the language and strain of the nation of Israel, who were seeking for righteousness and life by the works of the law: he expected eternal life by doing some good thing, or things; and hoped, as the sequel shows, that he had done every good thing necessary to the obtaining it.
BARNES: What good thing shall I do? - He had attempted to keep all the commandments. He had been taught by his Jewish teachers that people were to be saved by doing something - that is, by their works; and he supposed that this was to be the way under every system of religion. He had lived externally a blameless life, but yet he was not at peace: he was anxious, and he came to ascertain what, in the view of Jesus, was to be done, that his righteousness might be complete. To “have eternal life” means to be saved. The happiness of heaven is called “life,” in opposition to the pains of hell, called “death,” or an eternal dying, Rev_2:2; Rev_20:14. The one is real life, answering the purposes of living - living to the honor of God and in eternal happiness; the other is a failure of the great ends of existence - prolonged, eternal suffering, of which temporal death is but the feeble image.
Mat 19:17 KJV And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
BARNES: Keep the commandments - That is, do what God has commanded. He in the next verses informs him what he meant by the commandments. Jesus said this, doubtless, to try him, and to convince him that he had by no means kept the commandments, and that in supposing he had he was altogether deceived. The young man thought he had kept them, and was relying on them for salvation. It was of great importance, therefore, to convince him that he was, after all, a sinner. Christ did not mean to say that any man would be saved by the works of the law, for the Bible teaches plainly that such will not be the case, Rom_3:20, Rom_3:28; Rom_4:6; Gal_2:16; Eph_2:9; 2Ti_1:9. At the same time, however, it is true that if a man perfectly complied with the requirements of the law he would be saved, for there would be no reason why he should be condemned. Jesus, therefore, since he saw he was depending on his works, told him that if he would enter into life that is, into heaven - he must keep the commandments; if he was depending on them he must keep them perfectly, and if this was done he would be saved. The reasons why Christ gave him this direction were, probably:
1. because it was his duty to keep them.
2. because the young man depended on them, and he ought to understand what was required if he did - that they should be kept perfectly, or that they were not kept at all.
3. because he wanted to test him, to show him that he did not keep them, and thus to show him his need of a Saviour.
Mat 19:21 KJV Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
BARNES: Go and sell that thou hast ... - The young man declared that he had kept the law. That law required, among other things, that he should love his neighbor as himself. It required, also, that he should love the Lord his God supremely; that is, more than all other objects. If he had that true love to God and man - if he loved his Maker and fellow-creatures more than he did his property, he would be willing to give up his wealth to the service of God and of man. Jesus commanded him to do this, therefore, to test his character, and to show him that he had not kept the law as he pretended, and thus to show him that he needed a better righteousness than his own.
That is why Jesus ended it by saying:
Mat 19:25-26 KJV When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? (26) But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
It's impossible for man to do the things Jesus asked the ruler to do! Just as I have been saying! Why? SIN is in us. So, GOD DOES IT INSTEAD. GOD grants eternal life without our works. And then he empowers us to love the way Law failed to get us to love.
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12-17-2015, 08:30 AM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross
Commentators on Romans 8.
Rom 8:3 KJV For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
JOHN GILL:
For what the law could not do,.... This is not to be understood of "the law of the mind", in opposition to "the law of sin", which indeed is very feeble and impotent; man had a power originally of obeying the divine commands, but through sin he has lost his strength and power; and even a renewed mind cannot perform what it would, which is owing to the flesh, or corrupt nature; it has strong desires after holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God; but these desires cannot be fulfilled by it, and indeed without Christ it can do no good thing: nor is the ceremonial law intended, though this is weak, and there are many things it could not do; it could not expiate and atone for sin; nor remove the guilt of it, nor cleanse from the filth of it: But the moral law is here designed; this, though it can, and does accuse of sin, can convince of it, can curse, condemn, and condemn to death for it; yet it could not condemn sin itself, which is only abolished by Christ; it cannot restrain from sin, nor change a sinful nature, nor sanctify an impure heart; nor free from the guilt of sin, nor comfort a distressed mind under a sense of it, it cannot subject persons, or bring them to before God, or give life, or save from death; the reason is,
in that, or because
it was weak through the flesh. The weakness of the law is total and universal, it has no strength at all; though not original and natural, but accidental; it is owing to the flesh, or the corrupt nature of man: or rather the weakness is in sinful men, and not in the law; and the sense is this, that human nature is so weakened by sin, that it is incapable of fulfilling the law; the weakness of the law is not from itself, but from man:
Rom 8:3-4 KJV For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
ADAM CLARKE:
For what the law could not do - The law could not pardon; the law could not sanctify; the law could not dispense with its own requisitions; it is the rule of righteousness, and therefore must condemn unrighteousness. This is its unalterable nature. Had there been perfect obedience to its dictates, instead of condemning, it would have applauded and rewarded; but as the flesh, the carnal and rebellious principle, had prevailed, and transgression had taken place, it was rendered weak, inefficient to undo this word of the flesh, and bring the sinner into a state of pardon and acceptance with God.
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh - Did that which the law could not do; i.e. purchased pardon for the sinner, and brought every believer into the favor of God. And this is effected by the incarnation of Christ: He, in whom dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily, took upon him the likeness of sinful flesh, that is, a human body like ours, but not sinful as ours; and for sin, και περι ἁμαρτιας, and as a Sacrifice for Sin, (this is the sense of the word in a multitude of places), condemned sin in the flesh - condemned that to death and destruction which had condemned us to both.
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12-17-2015, 08:47 AM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross
ok Sean, sorry, i am out of time for now, i'll try to get back later and reply to this. peace
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12-17-2015, 08:48 AM
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ok Sean, sorry, i am out of time for now, i'll try to get back later and reply to this. peace 
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Sean? Was that intentional?
I only provided what you asked for. lol
peace
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12-17-2015, 04:47 PM
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ah, sorry, wrong tab. The red-letters got me, and i was rushed.
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12-19-2015, 07:16 PM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross
God is too holy for mankind to approach outside of Jesus.
But when we were born again, we received Jesus' actual holiness and the blood made us draw nigh to God.
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Notice how the point of the cross is the whole basis for our chance to approach and be close to God. Not works nor good deeds, nor even loving people. These come AFTER one is brought close by the blood.
The cross is the core of everything. And by cross the bible means His death in our places.
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12-19-2015, 07:24 PM
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Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Did it say we draw near having done all sorts of charitable gymnastics? No. Did it say we draw nigh to God with all sorts of loving deeds under our belts? Not at all. We draw near with FAITH. We do not get closer to God by doing more good things. That doe snot mean we must live forth good works.
Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
They don't enhance our relationship with God. But they are for men. Others. And that is vital, but never saves. Only the blood saves.
So, the beginning and the journey all see us get closer to God by the concept of the virtue and basis of the cross where Christ died as us. The good works we must do are not to draw us closer to God whatsoever. They manifest as symptoms the fact that we are close to Him, but don't bring us to Him. He's too holy for our works to draw us close to Him by impressing Him.
This is the reason those who live with a concept of drawing close by good works are so negative and down in themselves, and God refuses to bless those who feel good works will bring them to Him. So there is a darkness in such circles of thinking.
Having the conscience sprinkled refers to the sprinkling of blood that in Old Testament times purged the tabernacle and vessels. the point is the blood of animals cannot purge the conscience. That is accomplished by the blood of Jesus, though. And the blood of Jesus always is mentioned to indicate His grace in paying the debt of our sins for us by HIS death, not ours. Ours was initially required. So He took our place and died as us. And baptism into that death counts His death as our own. THAT is how we draw night to God. the blood remits sins and sins are what separated and made us far off from God. So, by the blood we draw nigh! BLOOD speaks of DEATH. HIS death as us.
Those who stand on His blood alone will soar in the things of the Spirit! And their lives will THEN produce the seemingly elusive good works people otherwise think bring us to Him. In reality, these are the works that follow a life close to Him, and do not bring us to Him.
God's love for us FIRST by the cross, then our love to HIm and everyone else follows that. The difference between Christianity and every other religion.
We try working good works of love to get to God and we'll journey to hell. That's not the place for good works. They are AFTER we come to God by the blood.
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12-19-2015, 07:36 PM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross
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12-19-2015, 08:44 PM
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Paul said it's not of works lest any man boast.
We would look ourselves and boast if it was by our good works we get saved. But it's by the blood, so Paul said he gloried in the cross of Christ. GOD did the work.
Do you glory in God's work or boast of your own?
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12-19-2015, 08:54 PM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross
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Paul said it's not of works lest any man boast.
We would look ourselves and boast if it was by our good works we get saved. But it's by the blood, so Paul said he gloried in the cross of Christ. GOD did the work.
Do you glory in God's work or boast of your own?
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We talked about this in service today. Long story short, going about to establish one's own righteousness is an affront to God. We must submit to the righteousness of God. And that is Christ. Trying to 'boast in our good works' as a basis for righteousness actually places us under condemnation. Our 'good works' condemn us, because they are like menstrual cloths in the sight of God.
By building our own righteousness, we literally make God out to be a debtor to us, as if God owes it to us to recognise our righteousness. And so, trying to build our own righteousness, we really just build our bed in hell.
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