Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by Sam

and, in my opinion, no matter when or how often the person "acts upon their desire" there is forgiveness, restoration, and healing available.

Agreed.

[Dedicated Mind]

Azzan, I hope you stick around and comment on other threads as well, not just this one. You are welcome in my book.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The only gays most people notice are the flamboyant ones (like those often featured in the entertainment industry). There are plenty flying under the gaydar. I think some people forget that there are feminine lesbians and masculine homosexuals.

Bingo. If you met me on the street or in a resturant you would have no clue that I was gay. I have told a few close friends and co-workers and all of them were shocked. They never had a clue.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We have men and women serving together and in combat. I think it's strange how people assume there is crazy sex going on in foxholes. I served with a gay man. He could kill anything that moved. I'd have been honored to fight along side of him.

I don't think anyone questions their ability to kill people, Aquila

And when it's open, would there be more of an issue?

Also, I don't think the concern is crazy gay sex going on in foxholes. I think the issue is other men being comfortable sharing a foxhole or intimate quarters with a gay man.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Azzan, I hope you stick around and comment on other threads as well, not just this one. You are welcome in my book.

Thanks, DM. I appreciate it. I wasn't sure what kind of welcome I would get.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Aquila

First, none of that belongs in a professional environment, gay or straight. Second, to some degree, people have to be adults.

What is ideal and what is reality are two different things. There's a reason why most heterosexuality infidelity happens with co-workers.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hey, don't feel bad. I was baptized and filled with the HG and I'm still attracted to very beautiful women. I never chose to be straight. I've fought my attractions, but they don't seem to abate. I find myself catching a peak every so often and pray God forgives me. Sometimes a lovely young lady talks to me and I can't help but have a few thoughts fly through my mind that I repent of. More often, I'll see women walking around the airport where I work and catch myself "checking them out". Then I feel guilty and pray God forgives me. I don't chase women down and try to seduce them. But... I can't ditch my opposite gender attraction.

You pray for me... I'll pray for you.

You make a major presupposition that people are "born gay" or that somehow same-sex attraction is normal (and yes, we are talking from a spiritual perspective here).

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Azzan

A gay man can be attracted to a straight man for sure. But most gay men would never act upon it because as you said the attraction wouldn't be reciprocated. Hitting on a straight male would be a waste of time and enery because there is no chance of anything happening.

It's a completely different situation from a straight male hitting on a straight woman. Yes, the woman may rebuff the male but then she might not. See the difference? It's apples to oranges.

But even though I wouldn't act upon a desire for a woman where I had no chance, does that make that woman any more comfortable by share intimate living quarters or showers with her?

I don't think it's so much apples and oranges. If you insist in it, then let's just talk about the apple.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Azzan

I am not arguing with you. You are entitled to your opinion. I am just trying to explain a view point that is different than yours.

And I haven't said you can't. I'm disagreeing.

The argument AND concern are reasonable. That doesn't even mean you have to agree -- but saying it's "reasonable" means you understand it, their argument makes sense, and you either agree or still have a rebuttal to alleviate that reasonable concern.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Sam

Y'all realize, don't you, that not all Christians believe a person is going to hell because he/she is gay or is living the gay life style? There are Churches, some of them Pentecostal, who include GLBT members.

Of course those are mis-informed Christians, or false teachers.

Living a gay lifestyle is unacceptable, violates God's desire for mankind, order of his Creation, is a result of sin and challenges every truth about God's ability to provide, satisfy our needs and that He is in control.

That said, of course anyone can come inquire, learn about and even become a disciple of Jesus while sorting through and dealing with these issues.