Oneness or Twoness Mailout from Joel Hemphill - Page 4

Apprehended · #31 01-01-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Labreeska was Vestal's niece. Joel no longer believes the Oneness message he is twoness. Joel has been a friend of my father's as long as I can remember he met his wife when the Goodmans were traveling with Dad in the 50's.

Bro. Epley...

Twoness in the "Snowden" (spelling?) from Kentucy tradition...the Gospel Assembly folk?

Mrs. LPW · #32 01-01-2008, 07:09 AM

I am suprised this hasn't generated more discussion, as this is an Apostolic issue on an Apostolic forum.

I read through some of what Joel had posted on that site... very disturbing to me.

I did look specificially for Isaiah 9:6 to be explained... but I don't see it anywhere. Someone correct me if I've missed it. I'd be interested to know how he explains that verse.

Sherri · #33 01-01-2008, 08:10 AM

Wow! Now I need to go back and read the entire brochures, which I didn't do. I just saw that he was saying that Trinitarian doctrine was false and I assumed from a couple of lines on the other one, that he was declaring Oneness as truth. Guess I was wrong!!!

Steve Epley · #34 01-01-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

I was thinking that Labreeska is Howard's neice. Isn't she his sister's daughter?

No unless I have forgotten I was thinking she was Vestal's niece. Vestal's brother traveled some with them years ago.

Steve Epley · #35 01-01-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Bro. Epley...

Twoness in the "Snowden" (spelling?) from Kentucy tradition...the Gospel Assembly folk?

It sounds like Sowder's doctrine? I do know there is a large Sowderite church in that area? His father was a Oneness preacher from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet. Joel has been drifting doctrinally for years. He is one of the nicest men you will ever meet that is a Hemphill trait.

Dora · #36 01-01-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

It sounds like Sowder's doctrine? I do know there is a large Sowderite church in that area? His father was a Oneness preacher from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet. Joel has been drifting doctrinally for years. He is one of the nicest men you will ever meet that is a Hemphill trait.

Elder Epley,

What is the Sowderite doctrine? Anything like the Branhamites? That was a very interesting discussion over on NFCF.

If you were witnessing to a Trinitarian or a Two-itarian how would you explain the ONENESS of God to them?

Sherri · #37 01-01-2008, 09:15 AM

Ok! I stand corrected!!!! I went back and read the pamphlets and he does refute trinitarian doctrine, but he also does say that Jesus was not God. He had so many scriptures about the Lord being one God, that I thought it was oneness upon first glance.

Sorry for the confusion! He is definitely into some weird ideas.

Steve Epley · #38 01-01-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dora

Elder Epley,

What is the Sowderite doctrine? Anything like the Branhamites? That was a very interesting discussion over on NFCF.

If you were witnessing to a Trinitarian or a Two-itarian how would you explain the ONENESS of God to them?

The Late William Sowders was the primary leader of a group of Pentecostals that had their roots in the early years of the Amercian Pentecostal movement. The group spilt up after his death most are called The Gospel Assembly or something like that. They have a large church in Houston and there is one in San Antonio.
Sowders taught the Jehovah Witness view of the Godhead that there are two Gods that is their terminology not mine. Jehovah is God senior and Jesus is God junior. Jesus was Micheal the archangel before Bethlehem.
They claim to baptize in Jesus Name however their view is quite different they teach all organizations are part of Babylon therefore they do not baptize in Jesus Name only the Body of Christ(which is them)can baptize in Jesus Name although they may baptize and say nothing. Or I saw one baptize a convert in "the name of heaven once?"
They also teach(mostly not all)
No Hell
144,000 are the Bride
Perfection to the extent to be perfect no physical relations with their companions,(not many have reached this

)
The truth is being restored.
The devil is the flesh there is not an evil spirit in opposition to God only the carnal mind.
Sex was the sin in the garden that Eve committed with her husband!
and many other absurd teachings.

Steve Epley · #39 01-01-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dora

Elder Epley,

What is the Sowderite doctrine? Anything like the Branhamites? That was a very interesting discussion over on NFCF.

If you were witnessing to a Trinitarian or a Two-itarian how would you explain the ONENESS of God to them?

Do you remember the Pattons in Dallas and Houston I am sure your grandfather knew them. They were leaders in that group. The church in Houston ran a couple of thousand.

Dora · #40 01-01-2008, 09:21 AM

EXCERPT FROM DAVID BERNARD'S BOOK, The Oneness of God:

"We have already discussed that "Son of God" refers to the humanity of Jesus. Clearly the humanity of Jesus is not eternal but was born in Bethlehem. One can speak of eternality - past, present, and future - only with respect to God. Since "Son of God" refers to humanity or deity as manifest in humanity, the idea of an eternal Son is incomprehensible. The Son of God had a beginning."