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[Jaxon]

Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earthof the earth be blessed.

The fact is the United States has been blessed because we have blessed Isreal. If that changes you can be assured the second half of the scripture applies as well. We are waiting to see what positions the Obama admin will have regarding Isreal.

But like it or not, there has been bloodshed between the Jews and Palestenians for thousands of years. It's not gonna change. I choose to stay with what God says he will bless.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

What is a "homeland?" Think carefully about that because historically it can be demonstrated that all human beings "belong" to a homeland region this stretches from Olduvai Gorge to Lake Chad. We are "invaders" everywhere else. All of us. Each of us. So why don't you "go home" and give the land you're living on back to the manatees and alligators?

The above is a perfect example of a man drowning while losing an argument.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The issue is quite a bit more complex than you are willing to admit at this point. You appear now to be referring to Israel proper and not the territories that include the West Bank and Gaza. Are these the "settlements" that you referred to earlier? Is Tel Aviv a "settlement" that the evil Israelis keep sending out settlers to inhabit?

Maybe you need to take some courses to clearly get your point across.
Or maybe you should take a class in anger management?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Most civilized human beings have begun to realize that it's no longer expedient to act like territorial apes. We have to give a little and bend from time to time.

Look more filler and mumbo jumbo. Have you ever seen Charlie Brown cartoon?
Have you ever seen when Charlie's teacher is adressing him? You know how she sounded? WAH, WAH, WAH, WAH...WAH. Did you get the above by reading Haaretz?

[QUOTE=pelathais;695158]
The vast majority of Palestinians are the descendants of the citizens of Egypt and Trans-Jordan.{/quote]

Were these people living in the land known as Israel prior to the Turks handing it over to the British in 1917? It is real simple yes or no question.
Not too complex.

Originally Posted by pelathais

There are many who are the descendants of those who hearkened to Amin Hussein's call in 1948 to get out of the way of the Arab armies while they slaughtered all of the Jews. Previously, during WW2 Hussein had asked for German assistance to settle the "Jewish question" as it was being settled in Germany. When the Germans lost, the Grand Mufti continued to preach a jihad against the Jews "everywhere."

The Jews in Israel at this time could be roughly categorized into 3 groups: the "veteran Jews" whose families had always lived in the land; the Sephardi whose families were connected to North Africa and Andalusia (Spain) but had been relocating back to the Holy Land over the course of centuries and the Ashkenazim - the descendants of the Italian Jews Charlemagne relocated into the Rhine River Valley in the 9th century and whose ancestors migrated progressively eastward to escape anti-semitic pogroms. There were also many others, of course. The Yemeni Jews who dance by simply jumping straight up and down because they had to hide when then danced; the Babylonian Jews who are the descendants of those Jews who did not return with Ezra and Nehemiah, and so on.

It is the third group that you seem to have fixed your derision upon. You also seem to be unaware of the other two major groups or any others - though I suspect that this is a rhetorical stunt on your part in order to label all Jews as "invaders."

Never was it brought up in our conversation of those Jews who were living in Palestine prior to 1917. Lord Rothchild had his vineyards there and owned property. Lord Rothchild was the main influence to obtain the Balfour Declaration. The Arabs and Jews lived in peace prior to any Zionist stirring.
The invaders is the title given to those who are part of an occupying force.
Therefore Israel is the warden, and the Palestinians are the convicts.
Will you now convince us that Israel is not the occupying force?
The Palestinians are not occupied?

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, they were begged to stay in most cases. The Jews in Israel in 1948 felt that having civilian Arabs as neighbors would cause the Arab armies to hold back on their announced genocidal war of conquest.

The Balfour declaration was a unilateral comment by the crumbling British Empire intended to win sympathetic votes for the ruling party in the upcoming. The British actually fought bloody battles to keep the Jews from escaping Europe and going to Israel.

Again, your "River to the Sea" mentality confuses you. Do you support the destruction of Israel?

No, I do support the destruction of stupidity. I would recommend you a book that would explain in vivid detail the British account of Palestine. An account of thousands of British who lived in Palestine during the "Mandate Days," but alas you can't even deal with my posts, let alone read something that would challenge your belief.

You need to read my postings without getting too emotionally involved.
You are obviously missing what I'm saying and just trying to rip into me.
Asking if I support the destruction of Israel, wasn't worth the effort it took to tap the keys.

Originally Posted by pelathais

What "Palestinians" where? The ones in the camps in Lebanon and Syria are kept in prison like environments by their Arab captors. The ones that used to be in Jordan were driven out by King Hussein in the 1970's because they constantly attacked and agitated Israel.

It is interesting you know your propaganda really well. Yet, no mention of how David Ben Gurion told Jewish settlers not to cultivate or take land that was owned by Palestinian fellahin. Ben Gurion was also quoted to say that if you buy their land you were to "pay a fair price." I know how you want us to believe that what is now called Israel didn't have one Arab living there prior to the Israeli state. If I'm mistaken, I haven't yet see you even allude that they even had native inhabitants within what is now called Israel. Yet, Ben Gurion even made statements referring to the peasant population of the land. In other words they were third worlders and in your mind they don't count.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The ones in the bird cage of Gaza - territory that belonged to Egypt going back to the days of the Pharaohs are not "occupied." Israel completely disengaged from Gaza back in 2005. After Israel left Hamas, with Iranian guns took over and rearmed themselves. They have been attacking Israel nonstop since 2005.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Israel did not create the problems of the Middle East - militant Islam and Jihad are the problem. If you don't have the courage to stand up for what's right then tear off your mask. You are not promoting peace here, you are not advancing Christian ideals. You just want to see those nasty Jews get what you believe they've got coming to them, don't you?

You are losing your argument, and now you are losing your mind. You aren't advancing ideals of peace, nor any kind of Christianity. You are bent in trying to portray every single Arab as an enemy. Bloodthirsty killer waiting to strap a bomb to their children into order to kill an Israeli citizen. You need to turn your television off and turn your brain on. At least you're having a good time placing intentions and words in my mouth and mind. You should be ashamed of yourself. Yet, I doubt you would, you are too emotional, or maybe theatrical?

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't ignore the real suffering - why did you eat so many paint chips when you were a child?

I can see that, because you are ignoring your own. Instead of defending your argument you are spitting and spewing. It's a wonder you can type.
Remember, breath, breath, breath, deep breaths, come on...breath.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I had nothing to do with that - and the public service television commercials all warned that you shouldn't eat those paint chip... ah! You never saw the commercial warning about the risks of eating paint chips.

Attention: This is what happens when a man loses his ability to carry on an argument. Breath, breath, come on deep breaths, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

Originally Posted by pelathais

Foreign policy will always have strains. Why do you want to destroy a nation that is reviled by hundreds of millions of brain washed Muslims?

Are you kidding me? What drama. How about wanting a country to behave themselves. Obey the United Nations Resolutions that are given you, and stop aggravating the situation with your ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS!

Originally Posted by pelathais

Why don't you ask the girls in Srebnica and Sarajevo what it's like to be "protected" by a NATO check point. The UN "monitors" in Lebanon have stood by and done nothing while Hezbollah has rearmed and loaded themselves up with 1,000's more of the Iranian missiles.

I'm the one who wants destruction? I want bloodshed? Listen friend you need to wake yourself up. You are dreaming and I think the Zionist propaganda has sent you down the worm hole. I made mention of NATO inspecting the check points. The Germans have also offered to help. Listen something needs to happen here because you and your group hasn't done a thing, but stain the desert red. Stop with the drama and stop saying I want destruction. It looks like you are the one who thinks every Arab wants to kill Israelis and Americans. Stop trying to slam your agenda down the mouths of those who are tried of a shot in the head foreign policy. Tired of what our relation to Israel has gotten us over the years. Europe is sick with the way we coddle Israel. It time to take them to task and get them to solve their own mess.
Bulldozing homes and olive groves that are hundred of years old is no way to win the hearts and minds of a people.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The check points into and out of Israel are needed to protect Israelis. Simple fact - the ruling powers among the Palestinians are paid to kill Jews, and paid very well. Arafat died a multi-billionaire. They have a lot of incentive to kill Jews.

Yes, there must be hassles and tie ups in such a situation. The answer is for the Palestinian people themselves to resist their murderous rulers. But that is very dangerous.

Get out of here. That is the most dumbest thing you have said yet. You don't know anything about Arabs. Resist their leaders? you had mentions yourself about their inner fighting. You can't keep your story straight can you?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Get a browser.

Try getting an education about what you argue about. Better yet stick with the Bible and stay out of foreign affairs.

Originally Posted by pelathais

You keep guessing wrong. How sad to know everything and to lose all sense of wonder and the excitement of learning.

No, I am guessing right, you lost your battle and then went full blown into ranting. Even your above quote was typed out of frustration and anger.
Take it easy friend. At least you're not having to live in a bomb out house.

Originally Posted by pelathais

How come there are still Christians today?

I didn't ask for a history lesson. I had made a statement. instead of dealing with what I said you resort to giving me a history lesson on Palestinian Christians.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Let me tell you: Constantinople 717, Tours 732, Avignon 737, Vienna in 1539 and again in 1683. I like peace, but I also recognize that I wouldn't even exist today if it were not for people who stood up to the world's bullies and said, "Enough."

What rubbish, "if it were not for people who stood up to the world's bullies and said, 'Enough.'" They lived in peace with the Arabs for thousands of years.

Do you know who still owns a large majority of property in Israel?
The Eastern Greek Orthodox Church. Pelatgais you need to do your homework.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Prior to the shelling? Get real. The shelling started even as the Israelis were evacuating Gaza. The Israelis pulled out of Gaza under fire even though they were giving that piece of Egypt back to the Palestinian/Egyptian residents. I'm embarrassed for you seeing that link to a site maintained by the Socialist Worker's Party. You should be more careful with what your google searches turn up.

You crack me up there, buddy.

There you go boys and girls, that is why I supplied Pelathais with the Israeli and Jewish sites in the beginning. Just as I thought when he gets a site that slams his beliefs he doesn't attack the information, he attacks the source.
Thank you Pelathis you are typical. No googling friend, though you wish that was the case. You are typical.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Sad. So very sad, EB. But it's not too late for you. Try enrolling in some classes at a local community college. Just reading and completing the assignments will help you to learn to formulate an intelligent way of expressing yourself.

Again, what is it about the Jewish people in Gush Shalom that makes you think they want to "mop up Gaza with every man, woman and child..."? What is it about the liberal/left leaning newspaper Haaretz that makes you think it's editorial policy would support such a thing?

You see EB, Gush Shalom and Haaretz and millions of others of groups, individuals and businesses are what constitute the state of Israel. When you read something in Haaretz or on Gush Shalom's website do you get the impression that you are reading the words of genocidal maniacs? No, you don't.

Again a perfect example of either not reading my post or just not giving a care to see a differing view to your own.

Pelathais, the people of Israel who create those sites do them in protest, to advocate peace, to call their government leaders to answer for the treatment of Palestinians. They ar not the government Pelathais, that is WHY THEY ARE WANTING CHANGE.

They don't want to kill anyone that's the reason for the web site.

Right? Instead of your weak attempts to stifle me with everything from collage courses, paint chips, Pro Terrorist, and Anti-Semite, you may want to do some further research. Which I strongly doubt you would. You only know one side, and are convinced to believe anything else is unthinkable.
That is a pathology. Yet, you are more than happy to wander around in that state of being, and annoy the rest of the free thinking world, who feel your views are archaic, and problematic. Maybe in the 1980s we as a country didn't see this as much of a problem, but now we are in the thick of it. We don't want anymore failed attempts at peace. We want Israel to stop playing the victim. They have enough firepower to wipe out everyone around them.
To say they don't is shear blindness or delusional. Those Palestinians are equal to Haitians attacking the United States, and the United States bombing Haiti for a month straight.

Originally Posted by pelathais

You have found common ground with their thoughts. You have been moved by their pity. Now, why do you think them to be killers?

When did I say "here is the web site of people who want to mow down every man woman and child in Gaza." I didn't post that. Yet, you keep banging your tin drum in some futile attempt to convince yourself that I did that. Pelathais, I didn't offer you the opinions of the people who are running the show, if they were they wouldn't be protesting. Your attempts to argue this topic has failed miserably.

You must wow everyone at your football parties as they roll their eyes at your discussions on the Middle East. As they look for an exit while you tell them for the hundredth time that you read Haaretz "daily."

Oh, yawn.

Originally Posted by pelathais

You were the one who opened with the blood libel.

Wrong again Pelathais, that was you. I never used that term in our discussion. It was used only by you as you struggled with your argument.

Originally Posted by pelathais

When I challenged you on that bigoted and anti-semitic charge you tried to show that you had reason to hate the people of Israel. Then finally, it all came crumbling down on you like a Palestinian school house wired with explosives by Hamas[/URL]. Now we must pity you because Pelathais stood up to your bullying.

Bigoted and Anti-Semitic? Here you go people of the free world. Make any strong statement against Israeli policy and you are labeled "bigoted" and anti-Semitic?" That is outrageous. No critical eye ever placed upon your deeds, because political correctness police will jump up and smear you.

Pelathais isn't even funded by AIPAC, he is just some guy who posts on the internet. Yet, he has been trained by the media that when the bell is rung he salivates. His knee jerk response to the very thought that Israel could be her own worst enemy is unthinkable.

Educate yourselves, find out the truth. Zionism is NOT Judaism. This is NOT about race, this is about political agendas that greatly affect our country.
I don't want Israel to go away, I want Israel to control their occupation forces, and that may be close to impossible. Rachel Corrie was a teenage girl who was murdered by an Israeli bulldozer that was trying to demolish the house of an Palestinian doctor. She was an American protestor. Educate yourselves to what is really happening over there. We as Christians must advocate peace at any cost.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Again a perfect example of either not reading my post or just not giving a care to see a differing view to your own.

Pelathais, the people of Israel who create those sites do them in protest, to advocate peace, to call their government leaders to answer for the treatment of Palestinians. They ar not the government Pelathais, that is WHY THEY ARE WANTING CHANGE.

They don't want to kill anyone that's the reason for the web site.

I think I have benefited by this current exchange.

Thank you to Pel and E.B. for the energy expended to put these views into words.

At some point, in another thread, at another time, I would like to see an exchange involving viewpoints held (and the resultant specifics that emerge) concerning "We as Christians must advocate peace at any cost"

regards,
tbpew

[TK Burk]

60 Minutes just did a report on why peace in Israel is so difficult. Watch it HERE

This report agrees with much that Bro. Benincasa is saying about the situation there.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by tbpew

I think I have benefited by this current exchange.

Thank you to Pel and E.B. for the energy expended to put these views into words.

At some point, in another thread, at another time, I would like to see an exchange involving viewpoints held (and the resultant specifics that emerge) concerning "We as Christians must advocate peace at any cost"

regards,
tbpew

There is no such thing as Christians advocating violence or war. We are on no side that uses violence or deadly force.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

http://www.amnesty.org/

http://www.fmep.org/

http://endtheoccupation.org/index.php

This issue is extremely radio active and won't win you friends among the "Israel Can Do No Wrong" crowd. The solution for peace can only happen until peace is sought through understanding and not oppression and force.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[scotty]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

60 Minutes just did a report on why peace in Israel is so difficult. Watch it HERE

This report agrees with much that Bro. Benincasa is saying about the situation there.

Interesting. The bias is obvious, but interesting non the less.

They spoke with government officials for Israel, wonder why not speak to the government for the Palastinians ?

Is that the actual 'Holy Land' that God promised Abraham ?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by scotty

Interesting. The bias is obvious, but interesting non the less.

They spoke with government officials for Israel, wonder why not speak to the government for the Palastinians ?

Is that the actual 'Holy Land' that God promised Abraham ?

That is a GREAT question!