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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What are you saying? Are you trying to have us believe that these are people without a homeland?

What is a "homeland?" Think carefully about that because historically it can be demonstrated that all human beings "belong" to a homeland region this stretches from Olduvai Gorge to Lake Chad. We are "invaders" everywhere else. All of us. Each of us. So why don't you "go home" and give the land you're living on back to the manatees and alligators?

The issue is quite a bit more complex than you are willing to admit at this point. You appear now to be referring to Israel proper and not the territories that include the West Bank and Gaza. Are these the "settlements" that you referred to earlier? Is Tel Aviv a "settlement" that the evil Israelis keep sending out settlers to inhabit?

Most civilized human beings have begun to realize that it's no longer expedient to act like territorial apes. We have to give a little and bend from time to time.

The vast majority of Palestinians are the descendants of the citizens of Egypt and Trans-Jordan. There are many who are the descendants of those who hearkened to Amin Hussein's call in 1948 to get out of the way of the Arab armies while they slaughtered all of the Jews. Previously, during WW2 Hussein had asked for German assistance to settle the "Jewish question" as it was being settled in Germany. When the Germans lost, the Grand Mufti continued to preach a jihad against the Jews "everywhere."

The Jews in Israel at this time could be roughly categorized into 3 groups: the "veteran Jews" whose families had always lived in the land; the Sephardi whose families were connected to North Africa and Andalusia (Spain) but had been relocating back to the Holy Land over the course of centuries and the Ashkenazim - the descendants of the Italian Jews Charlemagne relocated into the Rhine River Valley in the 9th century and whose ancestors migrated progressively eastward to escape anti-semitic pogroms. There were also many others, of course. The Yemeni Jews who dance by simply jumping straight up and down because they had to hide when then danced; the Babylonian Jews who are the descendants of those Jews who did not return with Ezra and Nehemiah, and so on.

It is the third group that you seem to have fixed your derision upon. You also seem to be unaware of the other two major groups or any others - though I suspect that this is a rhetorical stunt on your part in order to label all Jews as "invaders."

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's a switch. Prior to 1948 it was the European Jewry who were the one's without a homeland. These Palestinians had been living in Israel, Jerusalem for hundreds of years. They were forced out of their "home" land, and deposited into the occupied territories.

No, they were begged to stay in most cases. The Jews in Israel in 1948 felt that having civilian Arabs as neighbors would cause the Arab armies to hold back on their announced genocidal war of conquest.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The Eastern Europe Jews settled in Palestine prior to 1948, after the British gained the land from the crumbling Ottoman empire. The Balfour Declaration November 2, 1917 enabled Jews to settle in and around Israel. Sort of like the early American settlers on Indian land.

The Balfour declaration was a unilateral comment by the crumbling British Empire intended to win sympathetic votes for the ruling party in the upcoming. The British actually fought bloody battles to keep the Jews from escaping Europe and going to Israel.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excuse me ...

Again, your "River to the Sea" mentality confuses you. Do you support the destruction of Israel?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You have two generations ...

What "Palestinians" where? The ones in the camps in Lebanon and Syria are kept in prison like environments by their Arab captors. The ones that used to be in Jordan were driven out by King Hussein in the 1970's because they constantly attacked and agitated Israel.

The ones in the bird cage of Gaza - territory that belonged to Egypt going back to the days of the Pharaohs are not "occupied." Israel completely disengaged from Gaza back in 2005. After Israel left Hamas, with Iranian guns took over and rearmed themselves. They have been attacking Israel nonstop since 2005.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The day of making excuses for Israel are over. ...

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Israel did not create the problems of the Middle East - militant Islam and Jihad are the problem. If you don't have the courage to stand up for what's right then tear off your mask. You are not promoting peace here, you are not advancing Christian ideals. You just want to see those nasty Jews get what you believe they've got coming to them, don't you?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why do you ignore the awful carnage ...

I don't ignore the real suffering - why did you eat so many paint chips when you were a child? I had nothing to do with that - and the public service television commercials all warned that you shouldn't eat those paint chip... ah! You never saw the commercial warning about the risks of eating paint chips.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Also your want to defend a country ...

Foreign policy will always have strains. Why do you want to destroy a nation that is reviled by hundreds of millions of brain washed Muslims?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you know that NATO, has offered to be at Israeli ...

Why don't you ask the girls in Srebnica and Sarajevo what it's like to be "protected" by a NATO check point. The UN "monitors" in Lebanon have stood by and done nothing while Hezbollah has rearmed and loaded themselves up with 1,000's more of the Iranian missiles.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Really? Is that what you got from my comments? ...

The check points into and out of Israel are needed to protect Israelis. Simple fact - the ruling powers among the Palestinians are paid to kill Jews, and paid very well. Arafat died a multi-billionaire. They have a lot of incentive to kill Jews.

Yes, there must be hassles and tie ups in such a situation. The answer is for the Palestinian people themselves to resist their murderous rulers. But that is very dangerous.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Your link doesn't work friend.

Get a browser. The link to the MSN News site is fine.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I guess at this point of our discussion you must of been pretty upset. Because you were no longer reading, you just kept replying.

You keep guessing wrong. How sad to know everything and to lose all sense of wonder and the excitement of learning.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Listen to me, ...

How come there are still Christians today? Let me tell you: Constantinople 717, Tours 732, Avignon 737, Vienna in 1539 and again in 1683. I like peace, but I also recognize that I wouldn't even exist today if it were not for people who stood up to the world's bullies and said, "Enough."

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you even know about how prior to the shelling that Israel was blocking food and supplies going into Gaza.

Gaza was in pitch black darkness, no food no fuel? Wake up.

Prior to the shelling? Get real. The shelling started even as the Israelis were evacuating Gaza. The Israelis pulled out of Gaza under fire even though they were giving that piece of Egypt back to the Palestinian/Egyptian residents. I'm embarrassed for you seeing that link to a site maintained by the Socialist Worker's Party. You should be more careful with what your google searches turn up.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You really need to clam down and try to find out what your talking about.
Because having this discussion on the Internet is a luxury. When someone takes you to school on this subject in person, you going to be standing there looking foolish.

Try to find out what is happening, because your information is somewhat lacking.

You crack me up there, buddy.