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Old 04-21-2009, 05:09 PM
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I didn't set this thread up to be hinged upon this Somali's race.

His race, the President's race, your race, my race are non-issues in this discussion...


unless you can validate his race being an issue in this discussion-- which no one has.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:11 PM
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I am not dissing him based on race! I did not say that was a problem. By just mentioning the NAACP did you presume that I was creating a race card?

If that is the case then things are worse than I thought.

No matter what either of us think about race, the truth is, he is a black man, here in our system, on an international issue! If you think someone like the NAACP is not going to get involved then you must be wiser then me.

Either them or another civil rights group is going to step in and get involved. This is international exposure!

I would bet on it, if I was a betting person!
Civil rights groups and immigrant rights groups are already involved.
His family is appealling to the media in Minneapolis-- a place where there are many Somali immigrants.

When you brought up the NAACP, you brought up race-- you weren't the first one to kind of hint at it.

I just want to make sure since I started this thread that I clearly state that unless someone can validate why race should be discussed, it shouldn't be discussed.


Just trying to set the parameters for a good discussion.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:13 PM
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Civil rights groups and immigrant rights groups are already involved.
His family is appealling to the media in Minneapolis-- a place where there are many Somali immigrants.

When you brought up the NAACP, you brought up race-- you weren't the first one to kind of hint at it.

I just want to make sure since I started this thread that I clearly state that unless someone can validate why race should be discussed, it shouldn't be discussed.


Just trying to set the parameters for a good discussion.
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No offense intended friend.

I do get tired of seeing many of those civil rights groups that are totally wrapped up in the political exposure.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:14 PM
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I agree completely. Move the trial to Texas...



But that's my point!

WHY IS THERE EVEN A TRIAL IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Is there ANYWHERE this pirate can get a fair trial in America, given the nature of what he stands accused of?
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No offense intended friend.

I do get tired of seeing many of those civil rights groups that are totally wrapped up in the political exposure.
not offended.

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Old 04-21-2009, 05:17 PM
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what we should have done was fly over Somolia and pushed him out of the plane with a note saying "dont attack American ships".


after he stopped bouncing, they could read the note and know better in the future.

I like that idea
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:20 PM
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I didn't set this thread up to be hinged upon this Somali's race.

His race, the President's race, your race, my race are non-issues in this discussion...


unless you can validate his race being an issue in this discussion-- which no one has.
Race is made an issue by Racists.

Racists will justify whatever he did because of his color.

Remember:
He good, whitey bad.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:23 PM
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But that's my point!

WHY IS THERE EVEN A TRIAL IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Is there ANYWHERE this pirate can get a fair trial in America, given the nature of what he stands accused of?
It will be impossible, simply because it will be tried in the media for the most part. All rhetoric aside the issue is murky. He isn't a US citizen, therefore the rights guaranteed under the constitution are not applicable.

No official state of war exists, so he can't be considered a prisoner of war and afforded the roghts of the Geneva convention.

His country doesn't have the system in place to try him

Like you said. Stupid.

While this may be an upsetting solution to a lot of Americans, me included, the only "smart" thing I see is to turn him over to a world court for justice.
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:28 PM
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Race is made an issue by Racists.

Racists will justify whatever he did because of his color.

Remember:
He good, whitey bad.

I don't think anyone will try to justify his actions.

The question arises when we try to justify AMERICA'S actions in bringing him back here to be tried in our civilian legal system designed for American citizens.


Even spies, in order for them to be spies, have American citizenship and thus, eligible for trial in an American court system.

How does this guy merit a day in an U.S. court?
How can he get a fair trial?
When he is convicted, what will be the punishment?


Why couldn't this act of Somali piracy be considered an Act of War?
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:32 PM
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Why couldn't this act of Somali piracy be considered an Act of War?
I could see where it would not be considered an act of war if he did not act in an official capacity representing his government.

He committed a crime against a U.S. citizen.
Why could we not seize him and try him for some crime?
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