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Old 07-29-2009, 08:53 AM
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That's an interesting theory. I've always had difficulty with the idea of God killing Job's children, and then giving him more. To me, it wouldn't matter how many more children I had, children are not replaceable.

These verses, though, makes it seem as though he had 'different' children, because it talks about him naming them:

12And the LORD blessed(Q) the latter days of Job more than his beginning. And he had(R) 14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, 1,000 yoke of oxen, and 1,000 female donkeys. 13He had also(S) seven sons and three daughters. 14And he called the name of the first daughter Jemimah, and the name of the second Keziah, and the name of the third Keren-happuch. 15And in all the land there were no women so beautiful as Job’s daughters. And their father gave them an inheritance(T) among their brothers. 16And after this Job lived 140 years, and(U) saw his sons, and his sons’ sons, four generations. 17And Job died, an old man, and(V) full of days.

Doesn't necessarily refute your theory, just interesting wording.

What about his property losses? It was a messenger that told of those losses, too, right?
Or maybe the whole story is a parable.
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An interesting blog post on the subject of Job's children:
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Can Satan or his demons talk to you?

Can they plant thoughts in your mind?

Can they make you do things?

Can they make you feel their presence?

Can they see you?

Can they hear your thoughts?

Can they harm you?
Evil exists when love is absent. Evil is the absence of love as darkness is the absence of light or cold is the absence of heat.

Satan's access is through the door of offense. Harbored offense allows him access into our hearts. When love is matured, Satan cannot function.

God's love has order. When that love is disordered by man (ie violating God's nature) evil exists as a result.

Mature love casts out fear...
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That's an interesting theory. I've always had difficulty with the idea of God killing Job's children, and then giving him more. To me, it wouldn't matter how many more children I had, children are not replaceable.

These verses, though, makes it seem as though he had 'different' children, because it talks about him naming them:

12And the LORD blessed(Q) the latter days of Job more than his beginning. And he had(R) 14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, 1,000 yoke of oxen, and 1,000 female donkeys. 13He had also(S) seven sons and three daughters. 14And he called the name of the first daughter Jemimah, and the name of the second Keziah, and the name of the third Keren-happuch. 15And in all the land there were no women so beautiful as Job’s daughters. And their father gave them an inheritance(T) among their brothers. 16And after this Job lived 140 years, and(U) saw his sons, and his sons’ sons, four generations. 17And Job died, an old man, and(V) full of days.

Doesn't necessarily refute your theory, just interesting wording.

What about his property losses? It was a messenger that told of those losses, too, right?
Now this is an interesting discussion. This is why I come to AFF. Job started out with 7000 sheep, 3000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen (500 x 2 = 1000) and 500 she donkeys (Sorry some things I just won't type, my "conservatism" is showing!) He ended up with twice that. Simple. What was the purpose of all that substance? To get more substance. Those who tended Jobs livestock did exactly what they were suppose to do... buy sell, trade, etc., to get more substance. And, they obviously did quite well. The messengers SAID his livestock was taken. How do we know they were?

The naming. Job named only his DAUGHTERS in Job 42:14. Actually, I suspect he RENAMED his daughters which for some reason unknown to me, was a usual occurance in Bible times. Eve was not even given her name until AFTER the fall. She was originally called WOMAN (taken from man). After the fall, she became EVE (mother of all living- which brings up another point, but not here). Abrahams wife was Saria, until God promised she would have children (Sarah). Names were often changed AFTER some major event in a persons life. Jacob became Israel, Abram became Abraham, etc. The significance of the names of Jobs daughters? I don't know... I'd have work real hard to be that smart.

Interesting discussion. And I think Timmy said something that is worth considering. Maybe the Book of Job is a parable. An allegory to make a deeper point. I don't really think so, but Timmy could be right... He's pretty smart....




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Can Satan or his demons talk to you?

Can they plant thoughts in your mind?

Can they make you do things?

Can they make you feel their presence?

Can they see you?

Can they hear your thoughts?

Can they harm you?
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This is an interesting theory. You have me wanting to re-study Job.
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Jobs daughters:

Jemina- "handsome as the day"
Kezia- superficies, the angle, (?) cassia (a bark that had a cinimon like aroma)
Keren-happich- the horn, child of beauty

Taken from http://www.christianityoasis.com/Keyword/BibleNames.htm

Perhaps, after his ordeal, Job had a renewed apprecaition for life and his family. He renamed them to express this new appreciation? Just a thought. My grandsons name is Seth. We call him "Little man". Maybe Job gave his daughters a nick name.
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Or maybe the whole story is a parable.
It seems that some Bible scholars believe that it is.
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Jobs daughters:

Jemina- "handsome as the day"
Kezia- superficies, the angle, (?) cassia (a bark that had a cinimon like aroma)
Keren-happich- the horn, child of beauty

Taken from http://www.christianityoasis.com/Keyword/BibleNames.htm

Perhaps, after his ordeal, Job had a renewed apprecaition for life and his family. He renamed them to express this new appreciation? Just a thought. My grandsons name is Seth. We call him "Little man". Maybe Job gave his daughters a nick name.
Wow! I just yesterday learned (or relearned -- think I saw it before) on Good Eats that the sticks they sell as cinnamon in stores is really cassia, usually.
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