Let's talk about Baptism.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

If it didn't matter, Paul wouldn't have rebaptized the disciples of John in Jesus Name.

Because both baptism's were done by immersion in water.

Yes the baptizee must believe on Jesus, OBVIOUSLY. But the Baptizer must also Say in Jesus Name! It matters the name said over you.

Why else did Jesus command THEM to baptize in the name.... It mattered how they baptized the person....

You're saying there's no forgiveness of sins without another man performing 'correctly', other than Jesus, on your behalf?

[Esther]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.

The Lord knows the intent of the heart.

[pelathais]

I had one UPC pastor ask me to put him in contact with Karl Keating of Catholic Answers. Mr. Keating was very kind in his response, but the pastor was obviously flummoxed by the responses and back down from doing the proposed debate. A wise move given the very poor level of theological education that UPC and other Oneness pastors and ministers receive.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I preach baptism in Jesus' name and propose it is part of salvation. I believe it is what Romans 6 was speaking about.

But no one in the bible ever associated HELL with or without it, whether or not it saves from hell. I like how Priscilla and Aquila handled it.

The Bible is silent as to whether Priscilla and Aquila ministered water and Spirit baptism to Apollos in contrast to its clarity in the case of Paul's ministry to those Ephesian Baptists.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Yeah.

The examples are endless that portray difficult and very dramatic outcomes of human beings on Earth. I will give you just one, and wonder if you will still type "Yeah" after considering the following:

Human trafficking is the second largest organized crime in this Country, behind illegal drugs. Children are kidnapped, drugged, and sold on the Black Market as "Sex Slaves". These children become victims, contracting deadly STD's such as AIDS during adolescence, leading to premature death.

They can die before they even reach the age of 20 from murder, drug overdose, and disease, never hearing the Gospel message you and I have heard.

Are these children going to Hell?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?

Does it matter how your baptized?

Is baptism essential to salvation?

NO, NO, and NO!!!!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

If it didn't matter, Paul wouldn't have rebaptized the disciples of John in Jesus Name.

Because both baptism's were done by immersion in water.

Yes the baptizee must believe on Jesus, OBVIOUSLY. But the Baptizer must also Say in Jesus Name! It matters the name said over you.

Why else did Jesus command THEM to baptize in the name.... It mattered how they baptized the person....

I think we are comparing apples in oranges here.

These people had apparently not even heard the Gospel.

Upon hearing, they were convinced of their need to be baptized according to the Gospel they had received.

They weren't rebaptized because they had "flawed faith" in Jesus Christ.

They were rebaptized because they're faith was in God, sealed by an Old Testament ritual, contrary to the true Gospel by which we are now saved.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I used to sit and watch as Catholic apologists had Oneness Pentecostals for lunch. It was amazing. The OP's were completely confounded right out of the gate.

My favorite - and this is a good one for UltraCon and Mr. Cox - How can you guys claim to be "apostolics" if you don't even use the Bible the apostles used?

Roman Catholics at least use the same OT as the apostles.

Thats killer.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.

Welcome to the squishy middle.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

. . .

Nor by putting them an inch or two underground, normally. Shouldn't a baptism be submerged to a depth of 6 feet? Wait. You don't bury the dead in water, at all! Better use dirt!