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Old 10-08-2011, 09:00 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

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The church that I spent a good majority of my adult life in preached it this way:

The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus
to obey the gospel, you repent (death), be baptized (burial) in the Name of Jesus Christ for the Remission of your sins, and Receive the HG (resurrection), evidenced by speaking in tongues.

After you are born again of the water and the Spirit, (baptism/HG), the you must obey holiness standards, be at church every time the door is opened, pray every day, fast weekly, pay tithes, ready your bible, win souls, ect, ect, or you are going to hell.

Now you can live in this atmosphere and still have a lot of heart and devotion to God, and there are alot of things that work out ok, but you live in constant fear of missing the mark and going to hell also.

I have won many souls to the Lord, and it came by prayer and fasting and teaching bible studies, but it also came from fear that if I didn't do it, I would go to hell. There came a point when I gave up and said I just couldn't live it anymore. There came a point when I was convinced it was impossible to be saved.

Then, for reasons I don't want to elaborate on, everything changed and my old church is gone. well not really gone, reborn as a new different church.

(at this point I'm skipping some of the story, fast forward in time)

So I come here and learn that the gospel is really the good news about Jesus.
and that I've been very focused on Acts 2:38, 3 steps to being born again.
but forgot that Romans says we are justified by faith when we repent.

And I've been baptized in Jesus name and filled with the HG, evidenced by speaking in tongues.

But a part of me is still afraid that I can't be good enough to go to heaven and that possibly I'm on my way to hell.

So, I have to decide between going back to something I don't want to go back to so I can make sure I'm saved, or going to a church that is probably more like Sherri's church, that would be much less stressfull, probably a lot more enjoyable, but I need to make very sure that I'm going to be saved.

I have many friends in both churches, for when my former church changed to not teaching standards, and believing saved at repentance, (although they still baptize in Jesus Name, believe in oneness, and receiving the HG w/tongues), a good percentage left for the UPC church nearby.

My sister is on board with going to our old church, she feels comfortable there.
I somewhat want to do that also. I'm just afraid I may be wrong. If it's a matter of heaven or hell, I can't afford to be wrong.

I would also prefer to convince myself that universal reconciliation is real.

Or maybe the destruction of lost souls would be good, even if you miss heaven, you don't scream in agony for eternity, you just are gone.

I would not say I'm especially enjoying my salvation atm. Instead I would say I'm very torn and don't know what to do.

And discussing this on this forum is probably not wise, I know.

But now maybe you can understand why I keep asking questions, and going over it over and over again.

How can one way be right, and then all of a sudden, no, It's really another way.
Dear Sister,

Jesus said in Matt 7:7 "Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find..."

I believe you are at a stage wherein you wanna be 100% sure where you stand on your beliefs, and we all should have that same conviction.

The only person who can give us that assurance however is Jesus. I would say don't worry too much and just continue seeking God's face in Spirit and in truth with all sincerity.

There's a reason why God brings us to different stages of our lives and he that has brought you thus far will NOT forsake you.

So keep loving Jesus with all you have and trust that He will lead you into all truth.

Having said that, I wanna comment on the two statements of yours.

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But a part of me is still afraid that I can't be good enough to go to heaven and that possibly I'm on my way to hell.
On the first one, none of us is good enough for heaven (Rom 3:10). And there's nothing we can do that can make us good enough for heaven.
When we grasp fully that there's nothing we can do as individuals that can make us good enough for heaven, we're on the right path.
So since we're CANNOT be righteous enough for heaven, the ONLY righteousness good enough for heaven is God's own righteousness. Now, I'm sure you'll agree with me that no one is as RIGHTEOUS AS GOD. Therefore, the only way we can be as righteous as God (to be qualified for heaven) is to be covered with God's own righteousness. The question then is WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE TO GET COVERED WITH GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS?

You'll find the answer as you continue studying Romans

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I would not say I'm especially enjoying my salvation atm. Instead I would say I'm very torn and don't know what to do.
Let not your heart be troubled sister. It is the devil that does not want us to enjoy our salvation. Personally, when things seem to be muddy, I just spend time singing praises and worship unto God. He will give you calm in the midst of storms...
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:01 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

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BECAUSE "for the remission of sins" points to "repent," it does not point to "and be baptized."
So you're saying what I'm saying then...
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:37 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

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So you're saying what I'm saying then...
I didn't say that THAT is my stand.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:07 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"

"Baptism doth also now save us"

"Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins"
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:24 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

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"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"

"Baptism doth also now save us"

"Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins"
1) he that believeth not shall be damned

2) not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God

3) calling upon the name of the Lord
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:22 AM
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Have you ever come across a "believer" who refused baptism?
I've come across "believers" that refuse to be re-baptized
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:18 AM
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I've come across "believers" that refuse to be re-baptized
I know one who teaches baptism is not necessary period. He says he believes in Oneness and that he is an Apostle.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:18 AM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

well, God works in mysterious ways

this morning because we are having very bad storms and flooding here in Sebastian Florida, I decided to go to the AoG church that is an 8 min drive from my home.

the Pastor is just beginning a series on faith that he will be teaching for the next several weeks.

I thoroughly enjoyed his teaching this morning and have decided that it was/is just what I need to hear right now. So, yeah, I will be attending an AoG church for the time being.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:33 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

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well, God works in mysterious ways

this morning because we are having very bad storms and flooding here in Sebastian Florida, I decided to go to the AoG church that is an 8 min drive from my home.

the Pastor is just beginning a series on faith that he will be teaching for the next several weeks.

I thoroughly enjoyed his teaching this morning and have decided that it was/is just what I need to hear right now. So, yeah, I will be attending an AoG church for the time being.
bless your heart sis...
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:47 PM
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Re: I have a question about the UPC

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I know one who teaches baptism is not necessary period. He says he believes in Oneness and that he is an Apostle.
I will always say baptism is necessary. The bible never speaks of it as a suggestion, but it is not necessarily a pre-requisite to being justified
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