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Old 07-29-2012, 11:21 AM
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Sigh.

OK, if "there is no 'time' to God", then how come He has completely different methods of saving us in the OT and in the NT? Try sacrificing a goat now, and it won't work. It did work 3000 years ago. (At least, according to typical Christian theology, which you don't have to agree with, if you don't want to. Of course. )
Um, "if" there is no time to God? "A thousand years is to God a single day," etc. Do you not grasp that the Law was given to show sin, and the need for Grace? To man. We did not do sacrifices for God's benefit, but to illuminate that sin=death, and blood must be shed.

Then, when it became obvious that we could not follow
10 really obviously good rules, the need for Grace becomes obvious;
but accepting Grace is much more difficult than offering sacrifice.
Yes, it "worked" 3000 years ago, but not like is commonly supposed.
Meanwhile, nothing has changed for God, and nothing will change
in that sense, ever, for Him; perfect is perfect.
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:04 PM
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Sigh.

OK, if "there is no 'time' to God", then how come He has completely different methods of saving us in the OT and in the NT? Try sacrificing a goat now, and it won't work. It did work 3000 years ago. (At least, according to typical Christian theology, which you don't have to agree with, if you don't want to. Of course. )
Who said 'there is no time to God'?

BTW, sacrificing a goat didn't work back then either, according to Hebrews.
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Who said 'there is no time to God'?
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BTW, sacrificing a goat didn't work back then either, according to Hebrews.
Yeah. And the OT said it did work.
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Well, there ya go.

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Yeah. And the OT said it did work.
Ah, good point. So this might explain why so many Jews rejected Jesus and the apostles and their message. They thought 'Wait a minute, we have the Word of God, and it tells us to do such and so, and now you are saying it's all in vain unless we do something else...'

Kind of like when John came and told the Jews they needed to repent and be baptised... or like when Jesus told Nicodemus 'You must be born again'.

However, I would say that since Jesus resurrected, it sort of proves His point, that he was in fact correct.
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Bananas?

Tell me about that one.
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Bananas?

Tell me about that one.
On the web? The little ad, "5 things to never eat."
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What if you had a vision where God told you to do something that you knew was wrong?
I suppose it would be time for some serious prayer!
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I said "There is no time, to God."
Shorthand, but the meaning should be pretty easily grasped.
Time is a human illusion; Einstein grasped this intuitively, somehow,
and proved it. It is just difficult to grasp, having grown up with time.

Otherwise, what does
"A thousand years is as a day to God"
mean? You even have it in your hymns:
"When we've been there 10,000 years..."
or, just get on a space ship, and approach
the speed of light...

Because something is hard to grasp
does not make it any less true.
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I said "There is no time, to God."
Shorthand, but the meaning should be pretty easily grasped.
Time is a human illusion; Einstein grasped this intuitively, somehow,
and proved it. It is just difficult to grasp, having grown up with time.

Otherwise, what does
"A thousand years is as a day to God"
mean? You even have it in your hymns:
"When we've been there 10,000 years..."
or, just get on a space ship, and approach
the speed of light...

Because something is hard to grasp
does not make it any less true.
Well, I try not to base my beliefs on popular hymns.

As to 'a thousand years are as one day with God' I would suggest the context shows the meaning - God is not slack, like men count slackness. If a promise takes 1000 years to be fulfilled, men consider it a foregone conclusion that it ain't gonna happen. But seeing as God lives forever, what to us is a 'long, long, long time' is but a drop in the bucket to him.

"Time is a human illusion..."

Nice, but try telling that to your boss when you forget to show up for work one day.
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Hey, I did mention that I'm pretty sure it isn't genuine.
I'm most reminded of a kid who has finished elementary school,
now making fun of elementary school kids, or something.

You outgrew a popular model; congratulations.
This is very difficult, impossible for many.
Having left milk, you are now eating grass, like that king in Scripture,
when meat is available to you, whenever you find a fork.

Yes, God expects something different; from you.
Right now; or whenever you expect to grow any more.
Pre-school is over for you; go and manifest, I say,
and quit whining about your kindergarten teachers. imo.
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