I agree with Vesta Mangun that 'God does nothing but in answer to prayer' except for a few things like... creation, the incarnation, the church.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
I hear that a lot. God is in control. It's usually said after some tragedy, big or small, has taken place. I think it's a bit of a strange thing to say at times like that. Tantamount to blaming God for the tragedy. Not just tantamount, but really and actually, if you take logic seriously. (Which some don't, I'm learning. )
I hear that a lot. God is in control. It's usually said after some tragedy, big or small, has taken place. I think it's a bit of a strange thing to say at times like that. Tantamount to blaming God for the tragedy. Not just tantamount, but really and actually, if you take logic seriously. (Which some don't, I'm learning. )
So, what say you? Is God in control?
God has a plan, he is working his plan. Man was and is his plan, man's measure of freewill is his plan. This life is small in the scope of God's big picture. The fall was a part of the plan, man's exposure to sin and rebellion was his plan. The redemption of it all is his plan, Jesus paid for the redemption, how you say, He died, and he has defeated death for us all. If eternal torment was the price, then He didn't pay it, for He did not go to a man's interpretation of hell, a literal fire forever. We will all die physically, but because of His righteous act, we will not be held by death. "O death where is thy sting??? O grave, where is your victory???"
Romans 11:32 "For God has shut up ALL in disobedience so that He may show mercy to ALL."
All were exposed and caught up in sin, for some purpose in His plan. Otherwise, the great "freewill" of man, like Adam, could require a need for Plan C, or D and so on. Yes, God is very much in control, he has given you and me a measure of free will, but, NOT to determine the final destiny of the creation (including you and me), that HE has not delegated to anyone.
He is a great loving, and all powerful Father, he allows us to learn the truth by painful experience, the result of our being human. If we have ears to hear, we will learn righteousness, and will come to know Him as he really is, which is age abiding life!
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
God has a plan, he is working his plan. Man was and is his plan, man's measure of freewill is his plan. This life is small in the scope of God's big picture. The fall was a part of the plan, man's exposure to sin and rebellion was his plan. The redemption of it all is his plan, Jesus paid for the redemption, how you say, He died, and he has defeated death for us all. If eternal torment was the price, then He didn't pay it, for He did not go to a man's interpretation of hell, a literal fire forever. We will all die physically, but because of His righteous act, we will not be held by death. "O death where is thy sting??? O grave, where is your victory???"
Romans 11:32 "For God has shut up ALL in disobedience so that He may show mercy to ALL."
All were exposed and caught up in sin, for some purpose in His plan. Otherwise, the great "freewill" of man, like Adam, could require a need for Plan C, or D and so on. Yes, God is very much in control, he has given you and me a measure of free will, but, NOT to determine the final destiny of the creation (including you and me), that HE has not delegated to anyone.
He is a great loving, and all powerful Father, he allows us to learn the truth by painful experience, the result of our being human. If we have ears to hear, we will learn righteousness, and will come to know Him as he really is, which is age abiding life!
Oh, well, were are the deep thinkers that will real take on a subject??? Heh, Heh.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
I hear that a lot. God is in control. It's usually said after some tragedy, big or small, has taken place. I think it's a bit of a strange thing to say at times like that. Tantamount to blaming God for the tragedy. Not just tantamount, but really and actually, if you take logic seriously. (Which some don't, I'm learning. )
So, what say you? Is God in control?
I don't think anybody has the answer to this question. I too think it's strange to say "God is in control". I think a more accurate thing to say would be "I choose to have faith no matter."
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
I don't think anybody has the answer to this question. I too think it's strange to say "God is in control". I think a more accurate thing to say would be "I choose to have faith no matter."
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Or, um...ok;
You Are Going To Die.
You. Personally.
This is going to be defined as a 'tragedy' by...someone, surely.
My sis is currently inconsolable ovr the tragedy
of a lost pet--after having spent...I dont know, a lot,
4 FIGURES, in the attemp to keep it alive...
boutique (= inbred) dog, 10 years old, poor health history.
Or, um...ok;
You Are Going To Die.
You. Personally.
This is going to be defined as a 'tragedy' by...someone, surely.
My sis is currently inconsolable ovr the tragedy
of a lost pet--after having spent...I dont know, a lot,
4 FIGURES, in the attemp to keep it alive...
boutique (= inbred) dog, 10 years old, poor health history.
Where is the 'tragedy' here? Ty
Oh, that's right. I forgot. We can't tell if something that happens is bad or good. We can't even tell right from wrong. Silly me.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I understand why you say this,
but I think it is bc of what...we choose
to ignore, and what we choose to define;
as I had hoped my little dog story might illuminate.
So, I agree that
"we cant tell if something that happens is bad or good-"
-what would it matter if we could? It has happened;
any label we place upon it now--"bad,""good," ("ordained")
is sure to be true-or not. See the Tao story "How do you know?"
While I must disagree that-
well, I disagree to the part II thing,
which this window will not provide below-
-for the same reason; it illuminates what one
might choose to ignore or not...
You dont need me to tell you that
the same action, carried out by the same person,
can at different times be heinous, or a blessing, surely?
Is that right? Or wrong? How do you know?
Your heart works fine! Trust it; with your life!
(your life depends upon it, btw--it is going to be your evidence)
Oh, and ps, expect that acting in this manner will
prolly be...'the death of you.'
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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