God can do anything, right?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Also Reformed Theology demands a forensic imputation of righteousness. That is complete heresy.

I'm assuming that this is the crux of our disagreement. Interestingly, what I posted isn't "Reformed". It's distinctly Armenian. Yes, I walked with some Reformed friends for a while and studied the Ordo Salutis. I took the time to study it out and rewrite it... that's what I posted. So, I'm not sure where your caught up on this opposition to Reformed religion. No reformed believer would accept the order I presented.

Could you define "forensic imputation of righteousness"???

Because if this is the crux of our disagreement, it might be a very interesting aspect to this conversation.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Michael, you believe in soul-sleep and Annhilationism. That's false doctrine... sin. It amazes me that you think one can overcome sin... and yet embrace it so readily in your own theological world view.

Just last night I read of a Seventh Day Adventist (advocate of soul-sleep and Annhilationism) who had a beautiful near death experience on his death bed. It transformed the lives of his family as he peered into the spirit and saw angelic beings, loved ones... and a vision of Jesus Himself. Within minutes... he expired.

You will also pass through the valley of the shadow of death. And in that hour... you'll encounter a reality that you've denied all these years. Do you really want to wait until that hour to align yourself with Scripture??? Sadly... too many continue to embrace a mis-interpretation of Scripture that denies the spiritual realities of life after death.

I used to believe in immortal soul doctrine. All the books taught it. When I studied it myself I saw the abundant weight of the scripture was teaching the foundation doctrine called THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.

Same with eternal judgment. Everyone says the lost never get out of Gehenna. That is except Jesus and the Apostles. They taught the wicked are DESTROYED there.

I cant see accepting distorted false doctrine when I can rightly divide the word and accept the truth.

Walking in consistent victory over sin is the easiest of all Bible doctrine to prove. Jesus taught to overcome sin at all costs.

There will always be decivers who will accuse us of saying we think we do it on our own.

Yet in 38 years of Christian walk I personally have never heard even one Teacher.......Even among Protestants teach one can live a Christian life on their own strength.

The biggest straw man that has ever been built.

We believe what scripture teaches. Gods mighty power working in us frees us from the dominion of sin. It is no match for the majestic Holy Ghost fire and power and love dwelling in a new creation man or woman.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I believe in the ability and calling to overcome sin on a daily continual basis.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes you have perceived perfectly. The great majority of posters on AFF teach Christians cannot consistently overcome sin. They have been taught this deadly doctrine from every direction nowadays.

Aside from the posts by Deacon singing the Blues, I do not see it like that. I think most of the majority believe in relying on the Holy Sp..Ghost to empower us to overcome sin, whereas many if not most read into your statements that YOU overcome sin through your own self will.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by houston

Aside from the posts by Deacon singing the Blues, I do not see it like that. I think most of the majority believe in relying on the Holy Sp..Ghost to empower us to overcome sin, whereas many if not most read into your statements that YOU overcome sin through your own self will.

I doubt they honestly think that. I have literally dozens if not hundreds of posts proclaiming we overcome by Holy Ghost power. Maybe if they dont read my posts and just springboard off what some other person said.

Like I said I have yet in 38 years heard ANYONE who was supposed to be a Preacher teach one can overcome sin and self in his own strength. This includes Church Of Christ, Baptist, Charismatic, Pentecostal, ect.

The original poster just came on board and is not blinded by the good words and fair speeches here. They see it as it is!

No one teaches that. A mere strawman excuse.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I doubt they honestly think that. I have literally dozens if not hundreds of posts proclaiming we overcome by Holy Ghost power. Maybe if they dont read my posts and just springboard off what some other person said.

Like I said I have yet in 38 years heard ANYONE who was supposed to be a Preacher teach one can overcome sin and self in his own strength. This includes Church Of Christ, Baptist, Charismatic, Pentecostal, ect.

The original poster just came on board and is not blinded by the good words and fair speeches here. They see it as it is!

No one teaches that. A mere strawman excuse.

I have been around people that actually try to be good to get God's approval. So glad to be out of that mess...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

As soon as I logged into the AFF this morning

Your sense of humor .... I love it...

.... even though I was composing a serious answer in my mind as I was scrolling down this post... when I read yours... I couldn't stop laughing!

[KeptByTheWord]

Just my thoughts... we can do nothing through our own works of the flesh, but we must allow the Spirit of Christ to transform us on a daily basis, and that transforming power is able to help us overcome our flesh on a daily basis.

[LifeUncommon]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

We all here believe that God can do anything, right?

Then why do it seem that most people here, believe that God can't help us stop sinning?

While looking through the threads, and reading the posts, the prevalent theme seems to be all about how we can't stop sinning, we can't live holy, we can't be righteous, and whenever someone says that God commanded us to be holy, people end up berating that person, telling them that they're teaching false doctrine.

I know that we can't do it of our own selves or by our selves, out of our own power, but if God is here helping us, leading us and guiding us, lending us a helping hand, why can't we?

Well, that got intense awfully fast! Here is my layman's terms understanding: We can and should try not to sin in an effort to please God. However the Bible makes it clear that we do not see ourselves clearly and sin without even knowing it. In fact, believing you can live a sin-free line is in itself self-righteous and sinful. Our very best efforts are less than nothing.

We throw around words like righteous, holy, etc. very lightly and I think that in doing so, we sometimes lose the gravity and intensity of their meaning. Righteousness or "right living" doesn't mean doing your best to follow a set of rules or to appear to others to have it all together. It means to do right, body mind, soul and strength, without error. Holiness isn't a way to dress or a set of rules to follow, it is the perfection of God, which we most certainly do not yet possess.

If a sinless life were prescribed or attainable, we wouldn't need forgiveness or even Jesus.

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Walking in consistent victory over sin is the easiest of all Bible doctrine to prove. Jesus taught to overcome sin at all costs.

There will always be deceivers who will accuse us of saying we think we do it on our own.

Yet in 38 years of Christian walk I personally have never heard even one Teacher.......Even among Protestants teach one can live a Christian life on their own strength.

The biggest straw man that has ever been built.

We believe what scripture teaches. Gods mighty power working in us frees us from the dominion of sin. It is no match for the majestic Holy Ghost fire and power and love dwelling in a new creation man or woman.

THANK YOU!!

I really do wonder how people come up with the conclusion that we do it all of our selves, when we say that we can live a life without sin. Paul said that he can do all things through Christ, who strengthens him.

We can't do it on our own, that's why we, who are Holy Ghost filled, have God's spirit, helping us to overcome, if we will let Him help us. It's not easy, mind you, since the flesh is earthly, and is always crying out and desiring to do those things that are against the spirit, but we are to continually resist our desires, lusts, temptations etc, praying and asking God for the strength to fight it.