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11-10-2013, 09:39 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
Ephesians chapter 4 beginning at verse 11 speaks to the role of the church, pastors, teaches, etc in the christian's life.
This is not to say there won't be a time in a person's life when they are between churches but those times should be few and far between and should not be for an extended period of time.
My observation over many decades is that if folks don't plug into another church in a timely manner they usually start to enjoy pastoring themselves even though it is not the biblical pattern for their spiritual growth.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-11-2013, 03:55 AM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Ephesians chapter 4 beginning at verse 11 speaks to the role of the church, pastors, teaches, etc in the christian's life.
This is not to say there won't be a time in a person's life when they are between churches but those times should be few and far between and should not be for an extended period of time.
My observation over many decades is that if folks don't plug into another church in a timely manner they usually start to enjoy pastoring themselves even though it is not the biblical pattern for their spiritual growth.
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Are pastor pastoring themselves? Furthermore, I do not plan to be hasty at all in my next step.
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11-11-2013, 08:58 AM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Originally Posted by CC1
Ephesians chapter 4 beginning at verse 11 speaks to the role of the church, pastors, teaches, etc in the christian's life.
This is not to say there won't be a time in a person's life when they are between churches but those times should be few and far between and should not be for an extended period of time.
My observation over many decades is that if folks don't plug into another church in a timely manner they usually start to enjoy pastoring themselves even though it is not the biblical pattern for their spiritual growth.
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Who is the pastor's pastor? (Especially if it is an independent church?) Who is the general superintendent's pastor?
I guess for me, since we pastored a Home Missions church for 5 years and an established work for 5 years and essentially nobody above us gave a rip, we were without a pastor all those years except for ourselves. This "You need a pastor" stuff seems like a crock. I wanted a pastor/mentor all that time. But could I actually find someone to make that investment? Ha! Some people are just orphans not by choice. Then, they get used to it.
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11-12-2013, 03:48 AM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Who is the pastor's pastor? (Especially if it is an independent church?) Who is the general superintendent's pastor?
I guess for me, since we pastored a Home Missions church for 5 years and an established work for 5 years and essentially nobody above us gave a rip, we were without a pastor all those years except for ourselves. This "You need a pastor" stuff seems like a crock. I wanted a pastor/mentor all that time. But could I actually find someone to make that investment? Ha! Some people are just orphans not by choice. Then, they get used to it.
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I've felt the same way for years. This last pastor certainly was no mentor for me. Just don't miss a service , pay your tithes, and everything will be just fine.
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11-12-2013, 08:14 AM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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I've felt the same way for years. This last pastor certainly was no mentor for me. Just don't miss a service , pay your tithes, and everything will be just fine.
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Exactly. I know exactly what you mean.
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11-12-2013, 08:59 AM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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I wanted a pastor/mentor all that time. But could I actually find someone to make that investment?
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This last pastor certainly was no mentor for me.
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This isn't directed at either of you. You both mentioned Pastors as mentors and I have a question about that.
Is it really the responsibility, duty, or role of a Pastor to be a mentor? And what exactly is the role of a Pastor? Other than being the punching bag or person we blame if things don't work out the way we think they should.
IMO, it'd be good for a Pastor to either directly mentor others, or have a board of church elders who can do this, but it's not required as part of their role or duty.
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11-12-2013, 12:11 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
The role of the five fold ministry is to produce mature saints. Mature saints aren't blind sheep. Mature saints are able to fulfill the great commission.
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This isn't directed at either of you. You both mentioned Pastors as mentors and I have a question about that.
Is it really the responsibility, duty, or role of a Pastor to be a mentor? And what exactly is the role of a Pastor? Other than being the punching bag or person we blame if things don't work out the way we think they should.
IMO, it'd be good for a Pastor to either directly mentor others, or have a board of church elders who can do this, but it's not required as part of their role or duty.
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11-12-2013, 01:24 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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The role of the five fold ministry is to produce mature saints. Mature saints aren't blind sheep. Mature saints are able to fulfill the great commission.
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I understand that. Producing mature saints is not mentoring. Maturity comes through teaching, discipleship, instruction, a personal relationship with God, etc.
Mentoring is more the act of a Pastor taking someone who wishes to be involved in the ministry, and giving them personal instruction.
Again, it's something good to do, but I don't see where it's required that a Pastor mentor someone. That's why I don't understand people who are upset or disappointed that they weren't mentored.
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11-10-2013, 09:41 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
Who gets the tithes?
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11-10-2013, 09:52 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Who gets the tithes?
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That is an easy one! TV preacher. 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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