Shouting at NAYC - Page 4

Evang.Benincasa · #31 08-31-2015, 09:13 AM

Shout with a voice of triumph!

Evang.Benincasa · #32 08-31-2015, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Flipped out? No. Look at any thread about Stoneking or one of his statements and you'll find a lot of venom and hatred towards him.

This is true.

Where is there a statement made that has venom and hatred?

Pressing-On · #33 08-31-2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

well that's sound doctrine!

Im all for that. but lets not toss the baby out with the bathwater!

The bible also says BE STILL (quiet) and know that I am God"

There is a time and place for ALL THINGS.

When I teach on prayer, you better believe that I instruct Apostolics that prayer isn't ALL telling God stuff! if you don't spend time LISTENING you are not going anywhere.

BUT put STONEKINGs comments at NAYC in CONTEXT. He wasn't teaching. Those kids in general are REALLY GOOD at saying nothing. At being quiet at church. There is nothing wrong with teaching them that there is a time and place for a war shout.

I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around focusing on decibel levels. I can't quite see the Apostles preaching or focusing on that issue.

I don't mind the boisterous praise and the shout. I am also a participant. What I want us to be careful of is leaning too much on the element of making noise and not getting as excited when the scriptures are read. That is what brings me to my feet more than anything. I have seen young people shout, but not be made strong by it. Something appeared to be surface noise with no depth. That is all I fear the most - noise with no depth of commitment to God.

Pulled over to respond to your post. Better get back on the highway before a police officer thinks I am in trouble or waiting to pick up a stash of illegals. Lol

n david · #34 08-31-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where is there a statement made that has venom and hatred?

The thread which immediately comes to mind was deleted pretty quickly. Using the pure definition of the word "hate," there are many posts which show deep, intense or emotional dislike towards Stoneking. There's even a thread in which someone had to make a qualifying statement before stating they would pray for Stoneking while he was having surgery.

Evang.Benincasa · #35 08-31-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

The thread which immediately comes to mind was deleted pretty quickly. Using the pure definition of the word "hate," there are many posts which show deep, intense or emotional dislike towards Stoneking. There's even a thread in which someone had to make a qualifying statement before stating they would pray for Stoneking while he was having surgery.

Yet, people haven't done that recently?

This was back in the bad old days when this place was overrun with trolling haters? Haters who were disgruntled ex-Apostolics who not only had ill feelings about the movement, but also despised anyone who represented the movement?

n david · #36 08-31-2015, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yet, people haven't done that recently?

This was back in the bad old days when this place was overrun with trolling haters? Haters who were disgruntled ex-Apostolics who not only had ill feelings about the movement, but also despised anyone who represented the movement?

The deleted thread was from last year; the qualified prayer was by someone who still posts regularly.

Evang.Benincasa · #37 08-31-2015, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

The deleted thread was from last year; the qualified prayer was by someone who still posts regularly.

I bet they don't feel that way anymore.

votivesoul · #38 08-31-2015, 11:04 AM

The scientific and Biblical disconnect that is occurring is that while all sound waves are merely vibrations travelling across air molecules, and while some kind of spirit (not called Satan) is called the prince of the power of the air in Ephesians 2:2, the references don't cross over into each other.

Spirits are not physical forces with physical kingdoms or domains made up of physical molecules of air (i.e. nitrogen, oxygen, and other gases) any more than the Spirit of God is literally "breath" or "wind" in the sense of air molecules being sped up or slowed down by temperature variations, even though both ruach in Hebrew and pneuma in Greek can mean breath or wind.

There are parallels to teach spiritual applications, perhaps, in that some of these words are used as metaphors. But the sound waves I make with my voice, no matter the decibel levels, don't affect spirits physically, as though they had literal "ears to hear" (that is, the physical organs of hearing to receive and transmit sound waves to the brain, which acts as the center of sound interpretation) since they aren't physical creatures. It is a supernatural event that transcends air molecules and sound wave vibrations.

Yes, all that we do in prayer, intercession, and worship is done through our physical bodies, but once accomplished, the things we say and/or do transcend the physical reality of the natural world and cross over into the realm of the spirit, i.e. the heavenlies. Once those things transmigrate the barrier between the physical to the spiritual, there is also a transubstantiation of those things.

And we cannot say that shouting extra loud at a massive youth convention is going to do more or less once the waves of high decibel sound transmigrate that barrier.

In fact, it's quite possible that some, many, or even most, were shouting with the voice of don't let the next kid see me not obey the preacher. Meanwhile some twelve year old saint, not caught up in the hype of the moment, with tears quietly and gently falling down her face, is in the presence of the Almighty, being used by Him to do the only real damage to "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience..."

ApostolicKitty · #39 08-31-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

There is plenty of scripture related to raising ones voice to the lord in praise. In fact there is plenty of scripture that relates shouting to the Lord as a form of warfare. both physical and spiritual.

Joshua 6:20
So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city.

2 Chron 13:15
Then the men of Judah raised a war cry, and when the men of Judah raised the war cry, then it was that God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.

ApostolicKitty · #40 08-31-2015, 12:17 PM

I know God has responded to me in times when I have shouted AND when I have whispered quietly to him. So, I have nothing against either. The are both a necessary part of communication with Him, depending on the circumstance.

As far as Stoneking goes, no, I don't like him. I certainly don't hate him, though I do hate some of the baloney he has put out there. I also hate that my mother is Catholic.