I Don't Think God "Creates" Anything Any More

[KeptByTheWord]

This discussion makes me think of Job, who suffered a tremendous blow to his life, and was in the depths of despair, questioning God... and then had to realize in this moment...

Job 42:3 "Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not."

God designed us with a will to choose... and it is what we do with our will that marks our destiny.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Why try to blame God or play God because we can't explain everything?

Because I am human-- weak, temper-mental, unsure, but I know He has all the answers and the Bible says share but He doesn't always share!

I am like a kid in my inner, repeated declarations, "This isn't fair!"

Sometimes, I feel cheated, gypped, and sometimes I lose my faith that this moral and eternal journey is worth it.

"Though down here I may not understand, I won't let go of the Unseen Hand for it holds the reasons why," 4Him.

The same thought that brings so much comfort can at the same time stoke much anger. Has anyone else ever experienced that?

I am ok now. I don't want "encouraging" posts. I want to vent. I need the Word. I want answers and at 38, if I started getting answers now, I really don't know how I'd even handle them!

The questions of today stem from deeper questions, asked a long time ago.

Deep down inside, I still expect answers, my heart's desire, and a table full of miracles.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Because I am human-- weak, temper-mental, unsure, but I know He has all the answers and the Bible says share but He doesn't always share!

I am like a kid in my inner, repeated declarations, "This isn't fair!"

Sometimes, I feel cheated, gypped, and sometimes I lose my faith that this moral and eternal journey is worth it.

"Though down here I may not understand, I won't let go of the Unseen Hand for it holds the reasons why," 4Him.

The same thought that brings so much comfort can at the same time stoke much anger. Has anyone else ever experienced that?

I am ok now. I don't want "encouraging" posts. I want to vent. I need the Word. I want answers and at 38, if I started getting answers now, I really don't know how I'd even handle them!

The questions of today stem from deeper questions, asked a long time ago.

Deep down inside, I still expect answers, my heart's desire, and a table full of miracles.

I read a book last year called "The God I Don't Understand" by Christopher Wright. I'd suggest it to you. Its not very expensive on Amazon and it's not too long (bout 200 pages). It doesn't provide "all the answers", but does ask and grapple with the same questions and sentiment you are expressing. I recommend it to you.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Because I am human-- weak, temper-mental, unsure, but I know He has all the answers and the Bible says share but He doesn't always share!

I am like a kid in my inner, repeated declarations, "This isn't fair!"

Sometimes, I feel cheated, gypped, and sometimes I lose my faith that this moral and eternal journey is worth it.

"Though down here I may not understand, I won't let go of the Unseen Hand for it holds the reasons why," 4Him.

The same thought that brings so much comfort can at the same time stoke much anger. Has anyone else ever experienced that?

I am ok now. I don't want "encouraging" posts. I want to vent. I need the Word. I want answers and at 38, if I started getting answers now, I really don't know how I'd even handle them!

The questions of today stem from deeper questions, asked a long time ago.

Deep down inside, I still expect answers, my heart's desire, and a table full of miracles.

When I find myself perplexed and disturbed about situations that seem unfair, reading the book of Job somehow helps me to understand, once again... that God is the creator, and His ways are not our ways. While things may seem unfair to our eyes, we cannot see the whole entire picture that He is working on. We may be staring at a puzzle piece and it seems to fit nowhere... but He has the entire puzzle in sight.

It comes down to trust. Do you truly trust God - the one who set this whole entire world in motion, to be fully and capably in control of what goes on within it? His ways are not our ways is one thing that always helps me to remove my eyes from the difficult nature of sin and situations around me, and to trust Him and His goodness for the ultimate good of the situation in the end. And HE has never let me down when I do that.

[shazeep]

amen! When we have expectations--the pursuit of happiness, individual rights, etc--in common with the rest of the world, God's plan is not going to make sense to us.

[Esaias]

Isa_50:10 Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

He created and then He provided the seed. He created the reproductive processes that continue life. We are looking at His Creation. We are a part of His Creation. However, He didn't CREATE us.

He CREATED Adam and Eve.

He gave them the knowledge and power to create.

He did not create you and me.

You are taking a Traducian view of procreation. I don't hold to that view because I believe the bible teaches that God creates every human spirit. Here are some scriptures for you to consider: Isaiah 57:16, Genesis 2:7, Ecclesiastes 12:7, Zechariah 12:1, Hebrews 12:9, Proverbs 29:13, John 1:9, Job 33:4

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You are taking a Traducian view of procreation. I don't hold to that view because I believe the bible teaches that God creates every human spirit. Here are some scriptures for you to consider: Isaiah 57:16, Genesis 2:7, Ecclesiastes 12:7, Zechariah 12:1, Hebrews 12:9, Proverbs 29:13, John 1:9, Job 33:4

Ok then, that means the doctrine of original sin can't be true.

Does God create sinners?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok then, that means the doctrine of original sin can't be true.

Does God create sinners?

I think God creates children as innocents(with a sin nature, under the Law)), and they become sinners in time.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok then, that means the doctrine of original sin can't be true.

Does God create sinners?

I don't believe the guilt of the sin of Adam is passed down to every man. It logically leads to hell for every infant that dies. That's CRAZY talk! It also goes against scripture.

Eze 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

So no, the doctrine of original sin is bogus. Each one of us is responsible for our own sin. Children need to come to the knowledge of good and evil before they are responsible for the sins they commit.
We may end up suffering on this earth for the sins of our parents. And, yes, we are all now living in a fallen world because of our first parent's sin but God does not hold us accountable for their sin.