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Old 05-08-2020, 12:18 PM
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Re: That's not Preaching!!

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And when the theatrical preaching gets stale some turn to magic for entertainment. A downward spiral.


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Old 05-09-2020, 10:09 AM
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Stupid.

Yes, it is stupid. But it happens just as Michael said.
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Old 03-11-2021, 06:16 PM
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Re: That's not Preaching!!

This is actually very in line with this thread:

http://www.drcone.com/2015/02/09/the...-and-teaching/
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Old 03-13-2021, 07:20 PM
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Re: That's not Preaching!!

Kerusso means "to proclaim". One can proclaim anything to anybody in any situation. Therefore, a Christian can proclaim things (truths, doctrines, promises, fulfillments, or even next week's dinner on the grounds) to the assembly.

Euaggelizo means to bring good news. It is used in Greek for practically any kind of announcing or bringing good news. In fact there are instances in Greek literature of the word being used to refer to announcing or bringing BAD news. So it basically means simply to bring news to another. Therefore Christians can euaggelizo to the congregation.

Marturion means to speak as a witness, to testify (as a witness in a legal proceeding), to state X happened and you affirm that X is true. Therefore Christians can testify to the assembly of believers.

"Preach" (the English word) means the following:

PREACH, verb intransitive [Latin proeco, a crier; precor.]

1. To pronounce a public discourse on a religious subject, or from a subject, or from a text of Scripture. The word is usually applied to such discourses as are formed from a text of Scripture. This is the modern sense of preach

2. To discourse on the gospel way of salvation and exhort to repentance; to discourse on evangelical truths and exhort to a belief of them and acceptance of the terms of salvation. This was the extemporaneous manner of preaching pursued by Christ and his apostles. Matthew 4:10. Acts 10:14.

PREACH, verb transitive To proclaim; to publish in religious discourses.

What ye hear in the ear, that preach ye on the house-tops. Matthew 10:7.

The Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings to the meek. Isaiah 61:1.

1. To inculcate in public discourses.

I have preached righteousness in the great congregations. Psalms 40:9.

He oft to them preach'd

Conversion and repentance.

To preach Christ or Christ crucified, to announce Christ as the only Savior, and his atonement as the only ground of acceptance with God. 1 Corinthians 1:17.

To preach up, to discourse in favor of.

Can they preach up equality of birth?

PREACH, noun A religious discourse. [Not used.]

(Webster's 1828)

Thus the use of "preach" in Acts 20:7 and Acts 20:9 for the Greek term meaning to discouse, dialogue, or dispute.

There is no linguistic OR theological categories of "preaching vs teaching". One can proclaim, bring good news, and testify while teaching. One can teach while proclaiming, announcing good news, and/or giving testimony. One can do these things to unbelievers, believers, or even to oneself, in church, out of church, verbally, written, sign language, in person, by video or audio, in person, by proxy, live, or pre recorded, with or without flannelgraphs even.

The subject here is literally moot. One can preach loudly or quietly, one can teach loudly or quietly, one can preach while teaching, and vice versa.
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Old 03-14-2021, 07:41 PM
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The modern use of the word preaching is religious discourse. The Biblical meaning of it is not exactly the same, and the Bible does use both words, preaching and teaching, to mean different things.

There is no theological load in differentiating them, but there have different meanings. It is pretty obvious. Meaning matters, especially for the reader of the Bible. The word preaching and teaching have different connotation nowadays than what they had back then during the Biblical times.

When I put together "preach", with "one soul", with "home" in the same sentence, they look at me confused, because what comes to their mind is a pulpit and a discourse full of rhetoric and emotions. Then, I point to Acts 8 where Philip "preached" Christ to one soul.

I have seen many cases of mischaracterizing teaching and preaching, in speech, comments and even books, because of trying to fit the modern definition of the word to the Biblical definition.

BTW, I have found more cases of Biblical words with different meanings than the way people use it. Or they have the same semantic range, but nobody uses it with the meaning that the Bible use it the most, creating confusion in some people or even mis-interpretations.

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Old 03-15-2021, 09:06 AM
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Re: That's not Preaching!!

BTW, Esaias, this back and forth with you here has been edifying to me. It has helped me clarify and grow my understanding of these concepts.
I think we agree mostly, but we disagree in importance. You think it is splitting hairs, but I think it is important, because at least in my world, it has become detrimental to the teaching ministry.
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What's the Greek word for entertain?
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And is an evangelist really the way we view it today?
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And is an evangelist really the way we view it today?
An evangelist, Biblically, is one who brings news (preferably good news).
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