Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[RevDWW]

I must leave now. But I shall return.



Man I love you people!!!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I appreciate your appreciation.

In this order washed, sanctified, justified and it's all or nut'n honey. It's all one big step of faith!

Am I reading you right now ... because before you said we're justified after remission ....

are you now saying we are justified after all 3 steps are complete?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When remission of sins are enjoined then I am justified and He lives in me through the HG. Blood-water-Spirit! Is the new birth.

Let's hear some scriptural support for the EPLEYIAN PAJCer view.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Let's hear some scriptural support for the EPLEYIAN PAJCer view.

I gave it to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You forget to easy.

[SDG]

This is for posterity .. some scripture ... Elder.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Let me throw out these verses...




Reconciliation alone does not complete salvation.

Justification alone does not complete salvation.

Sanctification alone does not complete salvation.

The attempt to try to isolate a point somewhere in the process where a person is "saved" is pointless.

I guess if you have to label me, I am more in line with Bernard's view.

The full benefits of saving faith are not ours until our obedience is complete.

That includes repentance, baptism in Jesus Name, and receiving the Holy Ghost.

I am the same. Salvation will be complete only at his return. We have an eanest of salvation. We have assurity of that we are his because of that. But we still have free choice to walk away, or become shipwrecked. The only guarantee we have is if we continue to follow the Spirit. I stress the word CONTINUE.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am the same. Salvation will be complete only at his return. We have an eanest of salvation. We have assurity of that we are his because of that. But we still have free choice to walk away, or become shipwrecked. The only guarantee we have is if we continue to follow the Spirit. I stress the word CONTINUE.

Are we justified at step 1, 2 or 3 ... Matt???

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

How do you reconcile you 3 step justification model with Romans 5:9??

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

"Being justified..." is present tense.

"Shall be saved..." is future tense.

Justified does not equal saved.

Thanks for your support.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

"Being justified..." is present tense.

"Shall be saved..." is future tense.

Justified does not equal saved.

Thanks for your support.

"justified"
G1344
δικαιόω
dikaioō
dik-ah-yo'-o
From G1342; to render (that is, show or regard as) just or innocent: - free, justify (-ier), be righteous.

"saved"
G4982
σώζω
sōzō
sode'-zo
From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, "safe"); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.




Will God not accept someone he's made righteous?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am the same. Salvation will be complete only at his return. We have an eanest of salvation. We have assurity of that we are his because of that. But we still have free choice to walk away, or become shipwrecked. The only guarantee we have is if we continue to follow the Spirit. I stress the word CONTINUE.

Of course - the fact we can walk away, backslide, whatever is a given, but we can also know now - right now - that we are saved!