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Old 10-02-2007, 09:39 PM
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That bolded part I totally agree with.

As for how effective it will be....well.....how much is the price of one soul?

Keep in mind that we aren't replacing what we know works with TV, just adding to what's already being done.

Well, now we will see in a few years who was right--the elders, or the young guys that want the liberty to try this thing out.

I say it will change the UPC, and over a period of time, she will no longer be recognizable.

In my area, that kind of thing will be a long time coming, I believe...

But not so far away in some places
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I doubt if there was ever a majority preaching against radio.

Bottom line, it was never a stance taken officially by the org.

We crossed a line we have never before crossed last Friday.
Hope you don't see my posts as argument, because that's not my intention. I'm trying to understand this better, not being a minister nor been around them much (except for LR).

Do you see an honest difference in internet broadcasting and TV? I mean, assuming they will be doing the same thing on TV they are doing on internet.
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Old 10-02-2007, 09:45 PM
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Well, now we will see in a few years who was right--the elders, or the young guys that want the liberty to try this thing out.

I say it will change the UPC, and over a period of time, she will no longer be recognizable.

In my area, that kind of thing will be a long time coming, I believe...

But not so far away in some places
From your lips to the ears of God............

The UPC is "looking our way"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hope you don't see my posts as argument, because that's not my intention. I'm trying to understand this better, not being a minister nor been around them much (except for LR).

Do you see an honest difference in internet broadcasting and TV? I mean, assuming they will be doing the same thing on TV they are doing on internet.
No, I don't see all that much difference, although the argument can be made intelligently about the difference between the two media. I don't care to go into it--too much typing, and the mockers come out in force when you do that.

The thing that bugs me as much as anything is that, like i said: for the first time, we revered a position that we have taken on separation from the world.

That is signifigant in a holiness-minded organization.

Once you cross that line, it is easier to do it next time.

It isn't just the decision; it's what the decision symbolizes.
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Well, now we will see in a few years who was right--the elders, or the young guys that want the liberty to try this thing out.

I say it will change the UPC, and over a period of time, she will no longer be recognizable.

In my area, that kind of thing will be a long time coming, I believe...

But not so far away in some places
CS, are you honestly suggesting that this is the beginning of a 'slippery slope' that will happen? If so, I'm not following your logic, considering that other Apostolic orgs have been doing the TV thing for years and remain steadfast.
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From your lips to the ears of God............

The UPC is "looking our way"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We agree that the seeds of change gave been sown.
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CS, are you honestly suggesting that this is the beginning of a 'slippery slope' that will happen? If so, I'm not following your logic, considering that other Apostolic orgs have been doing the TV thing for years and remain steadfast.

We reversed a position that we have long held on a separation issue, right or wrong.

That is what starts the slippery slope--not just the fact that it is tv.
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Old 10-02-2007, 09:55 PM
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No, I don't see all that much difference, although the argument can be made intelligently about the difference between the two media. I don't care to go into it--too much typing, and the mockers come out in force when you do that.

The thing that bugs me as much as anything is that, like i said: for the first time, we revered a position that we have taken on separation from the world.

That is signifigant in a holiness-minded organization.

Once you cross that line, it is easier to do it next time.

It isn't just the decision; it's what the decision symbolizes.
Thanks for the info. I understand you better now. I'd like to say more but I also don't want the mockers coming around and turning this into something other than what we have here.
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:53 PM
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It's not Keith's fault, but ever since I read his thread this morning the sadness has grown.

Who is right and who is wrong in this issue?!

Is leaving the answer or is staying the better thing to do?!

I just do not understand it...

Will an exodus/split incite growth or demise?!

Who can say for certainty that they have the words which will bring healing?!

Would anyone hear and heed if they did?!

I don't know...

Can we ever go about with business as usual again?!
understand the Organization UPC has been a swinging door for 30 years..
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:01 PM
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understand the Organization UPC has been a swinging door for 30 years..
One of the main test of the character of an organization is: do the youth grow up and stay close? I don't know the UPC's record in this area, but it seems to be weak?

Anyone one know the % of second generation UPC that remain UPC?
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