HO,
we can all dance around the May Pole with nothing but colorful streamers or we can contribute sensibly and hope to find other thoughtful folks among those who are instigators for the sole purpose of the entertainment value of contention.
The bikini reference is one way to get those who zealously advocate that "no outward standards exist in God" to acknowledge that somewhere along the continuum of choices involving how we present our bodies --we need to live consistent with the desires of whoever we call Lord.
We can continue to engage the carnally-minded sport of bashing each other in this topical area or we can acknowledge that our Master, our Lord, our redeemer, and certainly our 'loving heavenly father' is watchful and highly interested in how present we our bodies.
All of this silly rhetorical contention is given space because we try to apply "effect" as "cause".
Everything we DO reveals whatever we LOVE.
The DO stuff is just an indicator(manifestation) of the invisible secret STUFF --the motives that proceed from our own heart.
IMO....
A person is living in the capital of Crazyville if they think:
1. Outward appearances will save them.
or
2. Outward appearances do NOT extend from the heart.
I think it's a stretch to bring in the bikini example as a comparison to, say, women wearing pants. People who believe in outward holiness standards will use that extreme to make their point instead of addressing the norm. I don't know of any church that would allow a woman in a bikini on their platform. Come on...let's talk about the actual issue instead of stretching things.
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I think it's a stretch to bring in the bikini example as a comparison to, say, women wearing pants. People who believe in outward holiness standards will use that extreme to make their point instead of addressing the norm. I don't know of any church that would allow a woman in a bikini on their platform. Come on...let's talk about the actual issue instead of stretching things.
but we can't talk about anything if everything is supercharged by "verbal swordsmanship". When the drivers of a conversation are the polar endpoints of contentious extremes nothing good is added to anybody's understanding.
We end up coming to a discussion board to watch a fight club.
HO,
Do you believe YOUR LORD is mindful of how you present YOUR body?
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but we can't talk about anything if everything is supercharged by "verbal swordsmanship". When the drivers of a conversation are the polar endpoints of contentious extremes nothing good is added to anybody's understanding.
We end up coming to a discussion board to watch a fight club.
HO,
Do you believe YOUR LORD is mindful of how you present YOUR body?
Sure, but that isn't the issue. Extremes aren't the way to present a realistic argument. It's no different then me claiming that you aren't as holy as you claim if you wear short sleeved, colored shirts without a tie, three piece suit, and patent leather shoes, regardless of the temperature outside.
Everybody on both sides knows what 'holiness standards' means, and understands what those who don't agree with them really stand for, and it's not the allowance of women in bikinis in church. That's extreme, and honest conversation can't take place when realities are overlooked or thrown out to make what seems to be a greater point.
Do I believe that God sees me more holy dressed in a dress as opposed to pants? No.
Do I believe that how I dress reflects my heart? Yes.
Does that mean that if I wear pants and you believe that pants on women are immodest means that my heart wants to be immodest? No.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Doing great! Nice to think I might have been missed.
This is just a quick check in though, there aren't enough hours in the day for me right now it seems! Boys are getting big!
Anything new with you?
I'm keeping tabs on Diz, Cindy. LadyChocolate,Margie and Scotty via facebook. They're as much trouble there as they are here.
Oh goodness! I'm sorry I logged out before you posted this! Again, glad you stopped by.
Nothing really new, just plugging along like everyone else. lol
I'm on three forums, so I don't have time for Facebook, but if I ever do, I'll hook up with you. My daughter is on MySpace and says that she doesn't care for Facebook. I've had several requests to join, but I'm afraid I'd sit at this computer longer than I already do!!! LOL! I did join MySpace over a year ago and then deleted my account. Just do not have the time to keep up with it.
Ontario along with New Brunswick are the big districts in Canada!
What's the Easter attendance for Ontario? 6000? 7000?
How about Toronto? 2000 total?
In order for the claim that there are thousands of slim and trim Oneness Pentecostals in Toronto to be true, every Oneness Pentecostal in Toronto, and then some, would have to be fit and healthy.
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Toronto has thousands of fit, healthy Oneness Pentecostals?
Toronto has thousands of Oneness Pentecostals?
Toronto, Canada?
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Originally Posted by Stephanas
What's the Easter attendance for Ontario? 6000? 7000?
How about Toronto? 2000 total?
In order for the claim that there are thousands of slim and trim Oneness Pentecostals in Toronto to be true, every Oneness Pentecostal in Toronto, and then some, would have to be fit and healthy.
I'd venture the attendance for Toronto was quite a bit more than 2000 for Easter sunday. The largest church had 1,600 in attendance by itself. I'd estimate the Easter sunday attendance for Oneness Pentecostals just in the Greater Toronto Area to be 4,000 or better.
Btw, Toronto is a very fit city. It has quite a European flavour that way.
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