Your tithes were already paid. - Page 40

Pliny · #**391** 10-28-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Oh, in other words you are yet another AFFer not to be taken seriously.

Gotcha.

Ditto...

J.A. Perez · #**392** 10-28-2015, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

No, we do not ignore them. Rather we interpret them in the context of the covenant they were said, who he was addressing, and the time frame he spoke of.

Jesus told his disciples in Matthew 23....

Post Calvary/Pentecost do we teach New Covenant saints to obey Pharisees? No. Thus the context of who Jesus was addressing and the times involved must be understood so as not to misapply this commandment. Jesus was speaking to Jews under the Law.

What about this commandment of Christ to the leper he healed?.....

Brother Perez, does Moses still command lepers to go show themselves to priests when God heals them? No. There are no levitical priests in existence in our time. Yet this was a command we find in the "New Testament", but it was made under the Law before the New covenant was implemented and applied to Jews. The same must then be said of Jesus, words in Matthew 23:23....

He is addressing "teachers of the Law" who were still under the Law. He is not addressing New Covenant saints. If he is, then please explain why Matthew 23:1-3 and Luke 5:14 do not apply to us.

So I'm afraid your point simply is not valid. In John 3 Jesus spoke prophetically of a new birth that would happen only after he had been lifted up as the serpent was lifted up,and after he was glorified and poured out the Holy Ghost. Jesus was also speaking prophetically in John4 and John 7 of this same event yet to come.

The fact that he was speaking to a Pharisee in John 3 is irrelevant because he was speaking of the New Covenant yet to come. In Matthew 23 he was not speaking of things to come but of the Law the Pharisees were still under and had failed to apply properly.

It's nice to read a composed thought from you. I knew there was a decent person behind the rude comments. Good stuff, I'll get back to you.

Originalist · #**393** 10-29-2015, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

It's nice to read a composed thought from you. I knew there was a decent person behind the rude comments. Good stuff, I'll get back to you.

I apologize if my tone has seemed abrasive. Truthfully, i type much of this stuff in haste without giving much thought to style. In the end I will still consider you a brother even if we agree to disagree, just so long as I'm not accused of "telling people not to give".

Sean · #**394** 10-30-2015, 06:53 AM

Pliny, may I ask you something?

Do you think that saints that do not tithe will go to hell for failure to pay them?

shazeep · #**395** 10-30-2015, 06:59 AM

"All go to the same place."

Pliny · #**396** 10-30-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Pliny, may I ask you something?

Do you think that saints that do not tithe will go to hell for failure to pay them?

I will leave that up to God.

Do you think I will go to hell for giving tithes?
How about teaching tithing?

KeptByTheWord · #**397** 10-30-2015, 04:07 PM

Tithing was not a principle of the doctrine of Christ, as written in Heb. 6:1-2. If tithing is as important for salvation as all 10% tithe-teachers teach... why was it not listed here?

Paul gave plenty of instruction about many, many varied NT church practices, but forgot to teach exactly how the tithe had transferred from the OT to the new? Not likely. It wasn't taught, because it wasn't a NT practice.

What was taught was giving... most especially to those of the household of faith... to your brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Most tithe-receiving pastors would be infuriated if their saints took their 10% $$ set aside to give, and instead of giving it to the pastor, gave it to a brother or sister in need. But that is exactly how Paul taught it... give to one another, and support the ministry too... but a set $$ amount was never, ever mentioned.

Sean · #**398** 10-30-2015, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Tithing was not a principle of the doctrine of Christ, as written in Heb. 6:1-2. If tithing is as important for salvation as all 10% tithe-teachers teach... why was it not listed here?

Paul gave plenty of instruction about many, many varied NT church practices, but forgot to teach exactly how the tithe had transferred from the OT to the new? Not likely. It wasn't taught, because it wasn't a NT practice.

What was taught was giving... most especially to those of the household of faith... to your brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Most tithe-receiving pastors would be infuriated if their saints took their 10% $$ set aside to give, and instead of giving it to the pastor, gave it to a brother or sister in need. But that is exactly how Paul taught it... give to one another, and support the ministry too... but a set $$ amount was never, ever mentioned.

This post is bullet proof!

Sean · #**399** 10-30-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

I will leave that up to God.

Do you think I will go to hell for giving tithes? NO
How about teaching tithing?

YES

Teaching false doctrine is a heresy. Heresy is lying to the saints. The Bible teaches us not to lie to one another. Heretics are going to be lost. We must fix our doctrinal mistakes, as teachers, before we die or the Lord Jesus comes.

There is no such thing in the bible as the phrase, "it is not a salvation issue'.

You and I will perish if we go through life believing that phrase, and teaching what we feel like teaching, as it suits our opinions.

Sean · #**400** 10-30-2015, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Pliny, may I ask you something?

Do you think that saints that do not tithe will go to hell for failure to pay them?

May I ask you this question again?