Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

My pastor wouldn't have tolerated that for a second.

We were taught that you don't have to "help" the Spirit speak through a person.

Encouraging someone to worship is fine; trying to get them repeating some garbled phrase so fast that it sounds like tongues is bad juju.

I'd be scared to death to try and make someone think they had received the Holy Ghost if they hadn't.

As a pastor, I don't allow that goofy stuff in the altar either.

My counsel to those in the altar is simply to seek the indwelling of the Spirit of the Almighty God not tongues. If they yield themselves to His infilling the tongues will take care of themselves. I have actually stopped seekers to have a conversation with them regarding what they are seeking. You would be surprised how many are seeking tongues. How misguided! Once they get the idea that they are there to seek the indwelling of the Holy Ghost instead of tongues they are quickly filled as it IS A PROMISE!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You know--forums are funny.

Sometimes one or two posters, if they are dominant enough by the volume or gravitas of their posts, can alter an entire board.

I've seen WWOD do it, and I've seen Daniel Alicea do it. Their styles and views are quite different, but both are very strong influencers.

You are quite right.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I don't think you understand what has been said here.

Great posts get shoved around, get torn to shreds, and burn in effigy by the pseudoApsostolic crowd. Why cast pearls before swine?

Who is complaining? Are you calling StMatthew a complainer?

Jekyll this is exactly the kind of attitude twe do not need here from either Liberals Moderates or Consevatives.

This is a warning for everyone. Keep the insults and name calling out of the discussion.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by philjones

I am a firm believer in the new birth according to John 3:5-8 and Acts 2:38... the water and spirit doctrines or erroneously named 3 stepper doctrine.

I have found myself frequenting the site less since the referenced imbalance has occurred. Not so much because of the imbalance but because of the sick to my stomach feeling I get from the merry go round!

I have noticed that several "3 steppers" have been saying that more and more.I've seen some folks on other Apostolic boards say the same thing, and they seem to have little inclination to come back. It saddens me to see that. There are some wise and valuable voices that are being silenced because of the growing imbalance (at least rhetorically, if not numerically).

I notice its the so-called "3-steppers" , not '1-steppers', who are mostly weary of the issue and seem be inclined to come by here less and less because of it... while I've seen several "1-steppers" making comments to the effect that 3-steppers are essentially "running away". (taunting?) Interesting dynamic there.

I guess this must be what it feels like when the demographics of a neighborhood gradually changes over time, because the AFF neighborhood is definitely changing, for sure.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Heh heh, GLAD you asked. lol

Anyway, your perception would greatly be enhanced if you removed your Coke-bottle rose colored glasses.

No one mentioned names here but you raised your hands and identified yourself. In Bill's version, someone throws a bullet in the furnace. The teacher starts talking about the anonymous problem child's mother. The kid identifies himself by yelling out, "Stop talking about my mother and I didn't do it!" Hilarious. Exactly how you identified yourself

Crackedegg identified himself in the same fashion.

You got an infraction. You all need to tone it down.

[nathan_slatter]

Excuse my ignorance for this question is asked that I might overcome said ignorance.

Which group is 1 steppers and which is 3 steppers? Are there 2 steppers? And what in the world is Light Doctrine?

[Admin]

Originally Posted by Admin

You got an infraction. You all need to tone it down.

Jekyl, because this obviously came well before the last warning I am going to reverse it. But still, let this be a warning to everyone to tone down the insults, especially the name calling,

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Excuse my ignorance for this question is asked that I might overcome said ignorance.

Which group is 1 steppers and which is 3 steppers? Are there 2 steppers? And what in the world is Light Doctrine?

I can't quite work out all of this after this thread either. I thought I had it worked out..but then they get all PCI and PAJC and start dissecting other things and...

I *think* 3 stepper (PAJC I think) is 1. repent 2. be baptized in Jesus' name 3. be filled with the Holy Ghost. THEN you're saved. And 1 stepper (PCI I think) is 1. repent, then you're saved 2 be baptized in Jesus' name 3. be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Light doctrine I *think* is being saved by what "Light" you've seen. Like someone who's only been taught being baptized in the titles would be saved because they were faithful to what they knew.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Out of hodgepodge of doctrinal beliefs in the early 1900's came the PAW, PAJC, and PCI, as well as other groups. So I'm not sure its a good idea to trace your belief system back to that period of time when the doctrinal lines were yet not as clearly defined as they now are.

I notice that so many PCI folk like to appeal to early 20th century "history" for concerning what the Apostolic Faith movement believed. Keep in mind that even some who used the term Apostolic Faith weren't even oneness.



William Seymour (Trinitarian) published a newspaper called Apostolic Faith,

...and Charles Parham (Trinitarian) is said to have led " the midwestern Apostolic Faith movement, the original name of the Pentecostal movement" according to the Assemblies of God.

The true Apostolic Faith movement began with the 1st century Jerusalem church. I think its better to use them for reference, rather than the early 20th century believers.

That's an excellent point.

Just remember that point however, the next time someone bemoans the loss of the "Apostolic distinctives" or the loss of their "heritage." The "heritage" they feel they've lost is really an innovation. We should be clear about that. We should also be up front about what the 20th century "Apostolic Faith" people taught, as you've clearly done.

"We" used to be Trinitarians until some of the Trinitarians started to insist upon triple immersion. Something about that caused us to question why and we were confronted with stark tritheism in our midst. The answer for that was popularized at the Arroyo Seco camp ground with Jesus name baptism and eventually the Mighty God in Christ doctrine of Oneness.

But "we" were Trinitarians. Trinitarians were our brothers. We suffered together, we prayed together, we recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost together. That really did happen.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Thank the LORD!

I think it is very sad. I've seen people just get thick tongued and the minister will get in the mike and say "he's got it". I'm more comfortable letting the person tell that they received it.

And that is as it should be. When you receive the Spirit of Christ, you know it and don't need someone telling you.