Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy? - Page 44

Jack Shephard · #**431** 10-20-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

there was a man on Oprah last week that had a sex change and became a woman. Tried being with men but ended up marrying a woman in a lesbian relationship. She had saved her sperm in a sperm bank before having the operation and was able to have kids with her female partner.

Wait. What just happened here?

notofworks · #**432** 10-20-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

there was a man on Oprah last week that had a sex change and became a woman. Tried being with men but ended up marrying a woman in a lesbian relationship. She had saved her sperm in a sperm bank before having the operation and was able to have kids with her female partner.

Thanks for the Springer update.

BeenThinkin · #**433** 10-20-2010, 08:23 PM

Azzan I hope you will come back. You did state at the beginning, I believe, that you were not interested in debating the issue. And I respect that position.

My question to you was simply in honesty wanting to hear someone that was gay give an explanation of the scriptures by Paul and also the ones that someone else posted from the Old Testament. I didn't feel Azzan that you addressed my remarks fully and yet I still understand that you were not interested in debating the issue. Does the gay population explain these scriptures or just ignore them. Maybe some who have dealt with this problem in the church can share the "gay stance" on these scriptures.

Been Thinkin

Dedicated Mind · #**434** 10-20-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Azzan I hope you will come back. You did state at the beginning, I believe, that you were not interested in debating the issue. And I respect that position.

My question to you was simply in honesty wanting to hear someone that was gay give an explanation of the scriptures by Paul and also the ones that someone else posted from the Old Testament. I didn't feel Azzan that you addressed my remarks fully and yet I still understand that you were not interested in debating the issue. Does the gay population explain these scriptures or just ignore them. Maybe some who have dealt with this problem in the church can share the "gay stance" on these scriptures.

Been Thinkin

I asked a gay friend how he felt about God and the bible. He stated that he was born gay and that he believes in God's mercy and grace. I believe most gays know that homosexuality is wrong but believe in a God of mercy and grace to see them through.

notofworks · #**435** 10-20-2010, 08:41 PM

Earlier in this thread, as several of us were bantering about our opinions and blowing smoke with limited knowledge, I appealed for a person who actually knows what they're talking about on the subject, to join in.

I received an PM from Azzan and after a few PM's he/she decided to join in. But predictably, the conversation went a little south, although it took longer than I thought and I've seen it get much worse in the past. To those who conducted a civil conversation with Azzan and were welcoming, thank you!

I just received this PM from him/her and with permission, I'm posting it. I, for one, welcome his/her insights on not only this subject but others as well. He/she is well-spoken, articulate, and well-informed.

But there's a chance he/she will not continue. So here is the PM for your thoughts, consideration, and comments.

"The idiotic questions don't bother me as long as it doesn't degrade into a mess. I have a good idea where Prax is going and I am fine with it. I think my answers to his line of thought may surprise him.

BTW, I am finding it HIGHLY amusing that everyone thinks I am a man.

I find it interesting that others bring up the 'ick' factor when I am doing my level best to be as 'kosher' as possible.

I find it hard to believe that the admin post was 'less than a warning'. For what's it worth, I know all about the rules of this forum. I've been hanging around here for over a year. I was doing my level best to not advocate anything but rather provide insight and be a source of information.

I gues I am not surprised at this reaction. And Christians wonder why gays get all militant and openly dispise God, church and everything that goes with it. Or why we stay in the closet?

Feel free to post this private PM to the thread. I don't expect it change anyone's mind but perhaps it will stimulate more conversaion."

Jack Shephard · #**436** 10-20-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I asked a gay friend how he felt about God and the bible. He stated that he was born gay and that he believes in God's mercy and grace. I believe most gays know that homosexuality is wrong but believe in a God of mercy and grace to see them through.

God's grace just is. No conditions or fine little print. It just is.

Jack Shephard · #**437** 10-20-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Earlier in this thread, as several of us were bantering about our opinions and blowing smoke with limited knowledge, I appealed for a person who actually knows what they're talking about on the subject, to join in.

I received an PM from Azzan and after a few PM's he/she decided to join in. But predictably, the conversation went a little south, although it took longer than I thought and I've seen it get much worse in the past. To those who conducted a civil conversation with Azzan and were welcoming, thank you!

I just received this PM from him/her and with permission, I'm posting it. I, for one, welcome his/her insights on not only this subject but others as well. He/she is well-spoken, articulate, and well-informed.

But there's a chance he/she will not continue. So here is the PM for your thoughts, consideration, and comments.

"The idiotic questions don't bother me as long as it doesn't degrade into a mess. I have a good idea where Prax is going and I am fine with it. I think my answers to his line of thought may surprise him.

BTW, I am finding it HIGHLY amusing that everyone thinks I am a man.

I find it interesting that others bring up the 'ick' factor when I am doing my level best to be as 'kosher' as possible.

I find it hard to believe that the admin post was 'less than a warning'. For what's it worth, I know all about the rules of this forum. I've been hanging around here for over a year. I was doing my level best to not advocate anything but rather provide insight and be a source of information.

I gues I am not surprised at this reaction. And Christians wonder why gays get all militant and openly dispise God, church and everything that goes with it. Or why we stay in the closet?

Feel free to post this private PM to the thread. I don't expect it change anyone's mind but perhaps it will stimulate more conversaion."

The worse thing about Christianity is the christians.

It is one thing to have an opinion and believing it to the core, but there must be room for grace. Grace, grace wonderful grace, oh but grace isn't allowed or given to some....whatever. Straights, gays, grays, blacks, whites, short or talls we all have grace available.

The PM was spot on. If people of a religious nature would be more tolerant, gracious, or merciful then the world and church world would be a much better place. "We don't tolerate sin." I have heard forever. But I say, "But you tolerate ignorance apparently." I am basically a republican, but I can't stand when someone bashes homosexuals or anyone for that matter. Those religious ones that rail against this issue has their own issues to deal with.

Praxeas · #**438** 10-20-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I certainly don't think he should! I think it is all pretty obvious without asking. He was married and had kids and was attracted to the same sex. There are a lot of people with same sex attraction and some in ministry are that are married with kids.

And there are those attracted to both