Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I like the smell of bourbon soaked cigars and pipe tobacco. My wife does not. Guess whose conscience wins out?
My dad used to smoke Bourbon flavored Borkum Riff with his pipe.
I always liked the smell of it (before it was smoked mind you... I simply cannot handle smoke of any kind... when my kids open the firebox and some smoke gets in the house I about lose my breath).
When we would walk into the tobacco store when I was a kid I always liked the smell too.
You need a Man Cave! A very well ventilated Man Cave!
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
My dad used to smoke Bourbon flavored Borkum Riff with his pipe.
I always liked the smell of it (before it was smoked mind you... I simply cannot handle smoke of any kind... when my kids open the firebox and some smoke gets in the house I about lose my breath).
When we would walk into the tobacco store when I was a kid I always liked the smell too.
Yep.
At some point, and at some level, it can become a moot issue whether things are sin and "heaven and hell" dealbreakers.
What if one indulged in a pleasurable innocent activity, but consequently made is own life hell on earth??
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Forty five pages and 445 posts! Mercy! Smoking, eating, drinking, even sex and who know what all? Gambling? I could not work my way through all of the posts.
In answer to the original (and following issues): Can you do in any of these things here? The clear answer is no, you can not. First, because it is physically impossible to do so! This is an electric environment, not a “physical” one. Also, the question is: Are engaging in any of these things, in and of themselves a sin? No, rather one does not do engage in these activities on this board because none of these behaviors are appropriate to a forum of this nature.
!. There are too many with weak consciences. Don't let your liberty be spoken evil of: Don’t be a stumbling block to your brother.
2. There are those to whom many things are a sin, and to them they are sins indeed. For some people, everything is evil. So others, nothing is a sin!
3. To bring up such subjects for discussion generally results in inviting controversy, contention, judgments and condemnation.
These things bring do not bring harmony, unity nor edification to the body of Christ, so why engage in them? Simple, they are an attraction to our carnal appetites.
Obviously pastors, teachers and other suchlike church elders have failed miserably in their assigned responsibilities to (1) rightly divide the word of truth, and (2) to effectively teach the assemblies the basics of spiritual living. The other failing, is that of the individual saints to study the word of God for them selves - in an honest manner.
Too much church dogma and weak doctrines - not enough Word and Holy Spirit.
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It makes no difference whether you study in the holy language, or in Arabic, or Aramaic [or in Greek or even in English]; it matters only whether it is done with understanding. - Moshe Maimonides.
Forty five pages! Mercy! Smoking, eating, drinking, even sex and who know what all? Gambling? I could not work my way through all of the posts.
In answer to the original (and following issues): Can you do in any of these things here? The clear answer is no, you can not. First, because it is physically impossible to do so! This is an electric environment, not a “physical” one. Also, the question is: Are engaging in any of these things, in and of themselves a sin? No, rather one does not do engage in these activities on this board because none of these behaviors are appropriate to a forum of this nature.
!. There are too many with weak consciences. Don't let your liberty be spoken evil of: Don’t be a stumbling block to your brother.
2. There are those to whom many things are a sin, and to them they are sins indeed. For some people, everything is evil.
3. To bring up such subjects for discussion generally results in inviting controversy, contention, judgments and condemnation.
These things bring do not bring harmony, unity nor edification to the body of Christ, so why engage in them? Simple, they are an attraction to our carnal appetites.
Obviously pastors, teachers and other suchlike church elders have failed miserably in their assigned responsibilities to (1) rightly divide the word of truth, and (2) to effectively teach the assemblies the basics of spiritual living. The other failing, is that of the individual saints to study the word of God for them selves - in an honest manner.
Too much church dogma and weak doctrines - not enough Word and Holy Spirit.
I smoked when I was younger, haven't done so for years. Then I couldn't have told you why I smoked, now I really wonder why. They stink, they make it hard to breathe and I've seen people almost burn the house down because of them(course that was cigarettes and alcohol mixed). Is it a sin? I don't know, is it stupid? Yup!
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Forty five pages and 445 posts! Mercy! Smoking, eating, drinking, even sex and who know what all? Gambling? I could not work my way through all of the posts.
In answer to the original (and following issues): Can you do in any of these things here? The clear answer is no, you can not. First, because it is physically impossible to do so! This is an electric environment, not a “physical” one. Also, the question is: Are engaging in any of these things, in and of themselves a sin? No, rather one does not do engage in these activities on this board because none of these behaviors are appropriate to a forum of this nature.
!. There are too many with weak consciences. Don't let your liberty be spoken evil of: Don’t be a stumbling block to your brother.
2. There are those to whom many things are a sin, and to them they are sins indeed. For some people, everything is evil. So others, nothing is a sin!
3. To bring up such subjects for discussion generally results in inviting controversy, contention, judgments and condemnation.
These things bring do not bring harmony, unity nor edification to the body of Christ, so why engage in them? Simple, they are an attraction to our carnal appetites.
Obviously pastors, teachers and other suchlike church elders have failed miserably in their assigned responsibilities to (1) rightly divide the word of truth, and (2) to effectively teach the assemblies the basics of spiritual living. The other failing, is that of the individual saints to study the word of God for them selves - in an honest manner.
Too much church dogma and weak doctrines - not enough Word and Holy Spirit.
Yep.
Them rotten pastors...bunch of failures.
Disclaimer:
No pastor bashing goes on here. I know, because several people have told me.
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And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
You need a Man Cave! A very well ventilated Man Cave!
He cleans chimneys ya know. That's got ventilation usually.
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Sorry for all of the typos in my oroginal missive - and a few grammatical lapses and the addition of one or two “extra” words in a sentence or two. Nimble fingers going much too fast for the time allotted.
No, I don’t really bash pastors, , but I do “hold their feet to the fire”. Because in today’s religious society, pastors are considered to be much like the captain of a ship – and the ultimate responsibility of the church’s conditions rests on them alone. The spiritual maturity or failure of a congregation (individual saints), church growth or death; in all these things and more, pastors have assumed to include in their personal bag of responsibilities. However, I assign equal responsibility to every spiritual leader ("… teachers and other such like church elders".) even down to the individual saint - where true spiritual responsibility really rests!. No. I do not exempt anyone, not even myself.
But really, if the word of God was truly understood and correctly taught, what justification would there be for threads such as this one? Or, threads on standards? Or, discussions concerning the Godhead? Etc.? On subjects such as these we cannot achieve a common understanding among pastors - even within the same organization!
So why is it such a big surprise that the rest of the believers are in such a disarray? No surprise at all! This thread, with all of its posts and its included ancillary subjects stands as a witness to that sad fact.After 2,000 years of study, one would think that by now we would have a sense of unity on such subjects! And, that is in truth a harsh judgment!
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, but I do “hold their feet to the fire”. Because in today’s religious society, pastors are considered to be much like the captain of a ship – and the ultimate responsibility of the church’s conditions rests on them alone. The spiritual maturity or failure of a congregation (individual saints), church growth or death; in all these things and more, pastors have assumed to include in their personal bag of responsibilities. However, I assign equal responsibility to every spiritual leader ("… teachers and other such like church elders".) even down to the individual saint - where true spiritual responsibility really rests!. No. I do not exempt anyone, not even myself. 
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