Are all Catholics lost?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I've conclude some folks simply don't read the bible to learn anything, but find what they already believe, resulting in wresting of the scriptures. This has been by far the worst case I ever personally witnessed.... man, it's the search for one's own philosophy in the word..... on steroids. And it's utterly antichrist!

No death of Christ on the cross is needed Goes right along with the Koran's version of Christ, but against the Bible's version of Christ. You done got yourself another Jesus.

Exactly, one may even start out with good intentions to read the Bible to find of its true teachings. But like Bart D Ehrman end up an atheist because of the kind of motor that was driving him through his studies. Because of the denomination he was raised in Bart only had that paradigm to view his research through. Therefore he ended up confusing himself. So to straighten out his confusion came up with a justification as to why what he was finding was flawed. Instead of looking further into his findings to understand how he was going off track, he only had his denominational flashlight and therefore when the light went out, so did he.

When we study we must use Sola Scriptura with the total understanding that the writers of the scripture absolutely understood what THEY were writing.

They weren't Hillbillies, Rubes, or Cave Dwelling Neanderthals. But highly educated with their own world, and their own culture. They had total understanding of the Greek, Aramaic, and Latin of their time, and culture. They knew how words were used in their time and culture. They understood the current events as well as past events. Therefore, if their documents would of been refuted it had to be refuted by those living in their time. It would serve us better to "PROPERLY" understand how "THEY" understood their world, and their culture, when we read and study the Bible.

The Bible wasn't attempting to teach the Iron Age about the Nuclear Age.

It certainly wasn't a closed book to the first century Judean for 2,000 years and just awaiting YouTube to figure it all out for us.

It is an Ancient Manuscript which was totally understandable by its people.

[shazeep]

unfortunately your characterization just does not line up with reality, and i have like 5 places we could go pick up the convo where you dropped it, like you guys are dropping

"A man who fulfills the law will judge those who have the letter of the law"


right now. So it appears that what you are mostly doing is tossing another layer of dung down to cover your tracks wadr.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

thing is, that is just your opinion, and i am the one quoting Christ. Well, before, not with

A man who fulfills the law will judge those who have the letter of the law.

but i guess we are going to avoid this one like the plague now too. ok.

No, it is not just my opinion. I got this from the bible. I was not taught it before I got it from the bible. Law and grace was something we hardly ever heard preached. So I searched the word to learn what the major points the apostles were making in their epistles. I wanted to see it firsthand. And I wrote out each verse and then put it in my words and surveyed the entire New Testament. I was amazed and blessed at how much the bible talked about the cross and faith, and contrasted it repeatedly with works law.

You actually say you are writing things people avoid like the plague. Sir, you're classic at doing that very thing with us! You act the victim like you quote Christ and everyone runs. Fact is, whenever we tried to actually talk about what Christ said, and deal with context and each point of his statements, you ran like the dickens.

So, why bother to actually talk about Christ's words with you since you always ran before. You parroted the victim cry so much that I finally agreed to deal with the issues. I asked for the verses, and then you said it was too late!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

unfortunately your characterization just does not line up with reality, and i have like 5 places we could go pick up the convo where you dropped it, like you guys are dropping

"A man who fulfills the law will judge those who have the letter of the law"


right now. So it appears that what you are mostly doing is tossing another layer of dung down to cover your tracks wadr.

Ok, victim, you seriously want to talk about Christ's words in Matt 7, or is it too late once we say we will deal with the WORD with you again?

And please... "wadr"? I question that little letter "r" in your context.

Outline verses you claim we dropped, and come on with it. Talk about the bible. Discuss the scripture. Use hermeneutics.

[mfblume]

[shazeep]

"A man who fulfills the law will judge those who have the letter of the law"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"A man who fulfills the law will judge those who have the letter of the law"

Where's that in the bible?

Chapter and verse and quote it. Let's do KJV since most here use it, too.

Go ahead...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Where's that in the bible?

Chapter and verse and quote it. Let's do KJV since most here use it, too.

Go ahead...

It's in the Snoopy Translation.

[shazeep]

Romans 2:27
A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.

and Snoopy is funnier than you are too, no offense. So you might examine your premises here, or at least work on your jokes.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Romans 2:27
A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.

and Snoopy is funnier than you are too, no offense. So you might examine your premises here, or at least work on your jokes.

No need to work on humor. You are classic preaching material. You also have no clue what Paul is referring to in Romans 2:27.

But I'll play.

Why was Cain's offering rejected?