Are all Catholics lost?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

actually, i guess some of them go that way too!
i know, weird, huh? you can highlight/search the first paragraph, you get a lot of hits. i don't get it either.
thing is, you don't have a defense against that tho, either, and i got Christ reassuring that that fulfills the law, and even Paul backing Him A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you
who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision, so you might consider how iconic Christ is for you, on a personal basis, is He just a shrine on a wall? A banner for you? A symbol? The Cross?

How can Love your neighbor, which intimately points to pick up your cross, be Crossless? Because some guy with a piece of paper says it is? Ok, but i would sure consider what i was fighting here, that's all. Believe what you like. But vote wisely.

But the point is that they have no cross to pick up, and no Christ to follow.

Were you born and raised in Turkey?

[shazeep]

well, i'd say the point is that you have not made that point; you just proclaim it, i guess because they have not followed your laws as you see fit? I mean how do you address "There is no need, therefore, for God to judge their hearts?"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But the point is that they have no cross to pick up, and no Christ to follow.

Were you born and raised in Turkey?

Right. How can you pick up a cross if the basic point of the cross is Christ's sacrifice for sins and you don't believe he did? Our friend doesn't realize that if Jesus had not died on the cross there'd be no reference to anyone else carrying a cross. It'd be merely like being told to carry your machine gun or your bayonet. But I guess many Muslims certainly do take up their machine guns.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. How can you pick up a cross if the basic point of the cross is Christ's sacrifice for sins and you don't believe he did? Our friend doesn't realize that if Jesus had not died on the cross there'd be no reference to anyone else carrying a cross. It'd be merely like being told to carry your machine gun or your bayonet. But I guess many Muslims certainly do take up their machine guns.

Amen, when the religion erases the sacrifice of the slain lamb of God on the Cross, It is also erasing any further references to a cross. No need to carry something which holds no meaning whatsoever in your religion. Why am I carrying an implement of torture and death when the one I'm supposed to follow had zero to do with an implement of torture and death? If the crucifixion has nothing to do with the Gospel message then obviously you have a totally different Gospel message then what Jesus and the apostles taught.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i'd say the point is that you have not made that point; you just proclaim it, i guess because they have not followed your laws as you see fit? I mean how do you address "There is no need, therefore, for God to judge their hearts?"

That's pretty funny, because you have had literally pages upon pages negating that point. Yet, instead of strengthening your argument, you keep repeating the same sad accusations based on nothing. Elder Blume keeps referring you back to the scriptures, yet you want to keep repeating that we are just wanting people to fulfill some criteria we invented out of thin air? You have been shown book, chapter, and verse but refuse to acknowledge anything you have been offered by the other side? Are you wanting to be prime minister of Israel?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's pretty funny, because you have had literally pages upon pages negating that point. Yet, instead of strengthening your argument, you keep repeating the same sad accusations based on nothing. Elder Blume keeps referring you back to the scriptures, yet you want to keep repeating that we are just wanting people to fulfill some criteria we invented out of thin air? You have been shown book, chapter, and verse but refuse to acknowledge anything you have been offered by the other side? Are you wanting to be prime minister of Israel?

then i'm curious why you can't answer simple questions in other threads, and have issues with Christ's Commands? They Are All Lost tells me that the criteria did not come from thin air, but from satan, wadr. And lest we forget, you are the group hemorrhaging people here, ok. So if you really wanna show me something, you might try and show me that you understand the position you are in right now, because i can just sit back and wait.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. How can you pick up a cross if the basic point of the cross is Christ's sacrifice for sins and you don't believe he did?

thing is, you have no basis to say that i don't think that Christ died for us; you just don't like the interpretation. And you are outed when you have to reconcile Christ with Paul, and go off into these little fantasies whenever i ask the simplest questions.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Our friend doesn't realize that if Jesus had not died on the cross there'd be no reference to anyone else carrying a cross. It'd be merely like being told to carry your machine gun or your bayonet. But I guess many Muslims certainly do take up their machine guns.

well, then many Christians are completely happy with drone bombing weddings, i mean you can't have it both ways. (Not you MB, i know you can have it both ways)

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

then i'm curious why you can't answer simple questions in other threads, and have issues with Christ's Commands? They Are All Lost tells me that the criteria did not come from thin air, but from satan, wadr. And lest we forget, you are the group hemorrhaging people here, ok. So if you really wanna show me something, you might try and show me that you understand the position you are in right now, because i can just sit back and wait.

We're curious why you can't simply engage in verse by verse discussion and analysis of the bible scripture in question. We have an idea of why, and are giving you the chance to disprove it. But so far nothing,

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

thing is, you have no basis to say that i don't think that Christ died for us; you just don't like the interpretation.

The only way interpretation can be validated or disproved is by dealing with context.

You seem to think Muslims get a pass from faith in the work of the cross because they were offended by catholics in the middle ages. Fact is, satan will do anything to have people negate the cross. But that gives no excuse to those presented with it who deny it.

And you are outed when you have to reconcile Christ with Paul, and go off into these little fantasies whenever i ask the simplest questions.

I'm not outed at all. I have repeatedly said Paul and Christ agreed. You just make that nonsense up and repeat it to convince yourself. And I can prove by context they agreed. But you won't deal with verse by verse exegesis, and you can keep telling yourself it's useless but in reality I think you know you don't have the goods to deal with it.

well, then many Christians are completely happy with drone bombing weddings, i mean you can't have it both ways. (Not you MB, i know you can have it both ways)

Keep on fantasizing. Trouble, is God sees your dishonesty in this.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

We're curious why you can't simply engage in verse by verse discussion and analysis of the bible scripture in question. We have an idea of why, and are giving you the chance to disprove it. But so far nothing,

um, because i am not interested in listening to anyone who advocates hate show me their reasoning from the Bible, but ty.