Is Jonathan Suber a three-stepper?

[SDG]

The fruit of the Spirit comes first in priority, IMO ....

Love being the first aspect of that fruit ....

1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.

My greatest fear about the direction of Pentecost is that the great experience has replaced THE GREAT COMMANDMENT.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I love hearing stories like this. We have so much power in God, but few of us actually walk in that power, or even have a strong desire to. I believe God is using people like J Suber to teach and instill faith in His people, to believe Him for what He said He would do, as He prepares His church to go to the next level.

If we spent half as much time talking about standards and using that same time and energy teaching and preaching about the gifts of the Spirit, the Apostolic church would be at a whole other level right now.

I totally agree with you, TRF .

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

Well, I would agree with that.

I guess I am a little fired up right now because a situation that we are facing locally. There is a particular group that is focusing primarily on the gifts, and we have had some people leave to follow this. It is being led by a very unprincipled man, who has proven himself not to be in submission to anyone and involved himself in shady financial dealings, and yet there are people who will follow his ministry strictly because of the use of the gifts. And frankly, the people who are following him are also people who have not shown great examples of Christian character in my dealings with them. I just wonder why it is so hard to find that balance.

Jesus always used flawed people, and I qualify. Let not your heart be troubled, Sister.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The fruit of the Spirit comes first in priority, IMO ....

Love being the first aspect of that fruit ....



My greatest fear about the direction of Pentecost is that the great experience has replaced THE GREAT COMMANDMENT.

Exactly, but some people don't want to hear principal, they want flash.

I think Matthew 7 is a clear warning on this subject.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The fruit of the Spirit comes first in priority, IMO ....

Love being the first aspect of that fruit ....



My greatest fear about the direction of Pentecost is that the great experience has replaced THE GREAT COMMANDMENT.

For some the greatest fear IN Pentecost is that the experience will be replaced by something else. We have made an experience the top priority in many churches.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Jesus always used flawed people, and I qualify. Let not your heart be troubled, Sister.

The point is not that people are flawed, but they willfully continue to be flawed. If you can't tell that someone is Christian by their behavior, I think there is a problem. I'm not talking about making mistakes, or lapses in judgment, I'm talking about consistently arrogant, unkind and rude behavior.

I feel I should clarify, since this thread was originally about him, I am in no way talking about Bro. Suber or his ministry, nothing could be further from the truth, I was only responding to the thought in the previous post.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

The point is not that people are flawed, but they willfully continue to be flawed. If you can't tell that someone is Christian by their behavior, I think there is a problem. I'm not talking about making mistakes, or lapses in judgment, I'm talking about consistently arrogant, unkind and rude behavior.

I feel I should clarify, since this thread was originally about him, I am in no way talking about Bro. Suber or his ministry, nothing could be further from the truth, I was only responding to the thought in the previous post.

I have been taught that the fruits of the spirit are THE evidence of the Holy Spirit and that speaking in tongues is not THE only evidence. Many consider it the initial evidence but tongues is not THE evidence of the Holy Ghost in your life.

Am I off base for thinking this way?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

For some the greatest fear IN Pentecost is that the experience will be replaced by something else. We have made an experience the top priority in many churches.

My dad said this to me in person weeks before dying and to the congregation he pastored also ... tears in his eyes .... that his biggest regret as a pastor of almost 30 years .... is he wished he would have emphasized every day relationship over the experience ...

What he did not realize ... perhaps in his humility ... is that his every step and every example displayed an undying passion to be in intimate relationship w/ the Lover of our souls.

The man prayed.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I have been taught that the fruits of the spirit are THE evidence of the Holy Spirit and that speaking in tongues is not THE only evidence. Many consider it the initial evidence but tongues is not THE evidence of the Holy Ghost in your life.

Am I off base for thinking this way?

Well, I think John 15 makes it pretty clear that you cannot have the Holy Spirit working in your life and not bear fruit. So, IMO, no, you are not off base, it is not the only evidence.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

How would I get a copy of his altar working seminar? does he have mp3 downloads or a way to order a CD?

Erik just found out it was recorded last night, will see about getting you contact info to get copy...