Those are your words right? No scriptural backing for Bible College or Seminary. If there was you would put it in the thread. Jesus taught his followers. They taught others. That is called DISCIPLESHIP. That is in the Bible.
I guess its true the faith once delivered to the saints is a forgotten concept.
Why no comment on the things I wrote? Are they unreadable to you?
No, I read them. I did comment on them, and I still have the same opinion you could use a class in hermeneutics. Does the Bible tell you that you should learn Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic so you can better understand what you read? There are a lot of differences between Paul and you.
1. He had a first rate education, and could even quote the philosophers in his sermons.
2. He knew the languages of the Scriptures.
3. He had been taught to interpret Scripture.
4. He wasn't 2,000 years removed from the culture.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Paul received OFFERINGS like the Philippians sent him when he was in Thessalonica. But you can read for yourself what he told the Ephesian Elders:
34: Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Is that not clear? Paul THE APOSTLE worked a job with his own hands to support not only himself but those with him. Then he told the ELDERS of a large Church he did it as AN EXAMPLE TO THEM!
He wanted to make sure that THEY would help the poor and know it is more blessed to give than to receive. Note this would have been such a perfect time to remind them to collect the tithes of the Ephesians so they would be blessed. No. Not a word about them being paid for their service.
And sure they could receive offerings like Paul did when they were given. But it would have been considered an abomination by these men to think they had to be paid to Shepherd the flock of Jesus.
As far as teaching "hermeneutics" Im sure Paul never heard of it. He was not the theaterical Preacher like we see today. He taught what he had seen and heard from Jesus not a bunch of un necessary things.
As I understand it a great percent of Seminarians do not believe in inspiration of scripture, the virgin birth, or the resurrection of Christ. Is that where higher education leads?
First of all, as I stated before, Paul did not command this as an edict that one must follow. I strongly believe in elders and their ordained places of service. We all should labor or we should not eat. But not all work is manual labor. Some is teaching. What you are saying is if someone teaches math or science for a living that is alright because it is not 'spiritual'. But if they bring up scripture or things of God it is sinful.........interesting. BTW, I'm sure Paul, with his extensive training, understood the methods of Biblical interpretation so I'm quite certain he was acquainted with hermanutic principles.
You are mixing and matching things to your advantage. Paul was referring to helping the less advantaged and those in need and that had nothing to do with education.
BTW, it's true that the Apostle met the risen Savior in a fashion that we have not available to us. That is one of the qualifications of an apostle....so you and I are out of luck there.
Guess what? Some pastors
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do not believe in inspiration of scripture, the virgin birth, or the resurrection of Christ. Is that where "Pastoring" leads?
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What you are saying is if someone teaches math or science for a living that is alright because it is not 'spiritual'. But if they bring up scripture or things of God it is sinful.........interesting.
No I never said anything remotely like that. What I AM SAYING is what Paul said. He worked with his hands for a living. He also received FREEWILL OFFERINGS when given.
He never asked anyone to pay him for what he did. Neither did the Messiah Jesus. Thats what I said.
And then he told the Elders (those who feed the flock) he did it for an example for them.
The money set up in the Churches is so firmly entrenched its hard for people to look at what Paul told the Elders of a large New Testament Church.
As far as education in the word of God Im all for it. Paul told Timothy to meditate on the doctrine giving himself totally to it. He told him to rightly divide the word of truth.
One does need Teachers. But Teachers who demand pay to teach the Children of Light are not cut out of the same cloth as those in the Churches established by the Apostles.
Im sure many of them are sincere but they have never heard the truth. And when they hear it it seems wrong because they have been trained that money makes the world go round.
How would you feel if each time you sat down to fellowship the word with someone who knows more than you they would say "now give up what you owe for this teaching"?
No I never said anything remotely like that. What I AM SAYING is what Paul said. He worked with his hands for a living. He also received FREEWILL OFFERINGS when given.
He never asked anyone to pay him for what he did. Neither did the Messiah Jesus. Thats what I said.
And then he told the Elders (those who feed the flock) he did it for an example for them.
The money set up in the Churches is so firmly entrenched its hard for people to look at what Paul told the Elders of a large New Testament Church.
As far as education in the word of God Im all for it. Paul told Timothy to meditate on the doctrine giving himself totally to it. He told him to rightly divide the word of truth.
One does need Teachers. But Teachers who demand pay to teach the Children of Light are not cut out of the same cloth as those in the Churches established by the Apostles.
Im sure many of them are sincere but they have never heard the truth. And when they hear it it seems wrong because they have been trained that money makes the world go round.
How would you feel if each time you sat down to fellowship the word with someone who knows more than you they would say "now give up what you owe for this teaching"?
I agree that the 'formalized' teaching of Scripture will never take the place of the church and her ministry. It is not a substitute. A church with elders who are able to teach is the God ordained plan. At the same time I see a place for formalized instruction to go along side those who want to go into the pulpit ministry. The church is now at her weakest, I believe, in history and teaching by Godly qualified men surely could help...and it has.
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How would you feel if each time you sat down to fellowship the word with someone who knows more than you they would say "now give up what you owe for this teaching"?
In reality I know several 'profs' that have taken the time with me to mentor, teach, and to pray with me. One has even sent me chapters of his unpublished book because it addressed my problems and it has cost me nothing. They are some of the most Godly men I have ever run across. They would never usurp the Biblical plan of the church and in fact some are elders and BTW, they are not rich men. Now from 8-5, Monday through Friday, they do the work which God has blessed them with the skill to do. But they still give their tithes and offerings like anybody else. To tell the truth they give more of their time, talent,and treasure than almost anyone I know and are submissive to the authority placed over them. Our pastor has said that they never have even corrected him when he knew they disagreed with him of a secondary issue.
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Im sure many of them are sincere but they have never heard the truth. And when they hear it it seems wrong because they have been trained that money makes the world go round.
For every bad professor I can show you a bad pastor that is just as money hungry as anyone in the world. Can we say "TBN"? In fact, not too many professors are on TBN.
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Simple. I believe I know the truth. I gladly share what I know for free. Why should anyone be charged to be taught the things of Jesus Christ? Did he go to each person he taught and ask for a required sum for what he taught? Did the Apostles pay him for the doctrine?
Hi Michael,Do you believe you know the full truth ?
I just had an opus. As Pentecostals, we like to break God and His workings into simple formulas. For example, if I do this, this, and this just like this every time then I will get that, just like so and so.
But that kind of thinking takes away from the personal relationship aspect of Christianity and it limits what God can do today to what He did yesterday.
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As Pentecostals, we like to break God and His workings into simple formulas. For example, if I do this, this, and this just like this every time then I will get that, just like so and so.
But that kind of thinking takes away from the personal relationship aspect of Christianity and it limits what God can do today to what He did yesterday.
There are formulas in the Bible. They don't always work, though, so yeah: I guess everyone should try their own variations.
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