Do you think Two Church services a month is enough?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Chan

And what are you DOING with all that you have been taught?

Pumping the bilge.

Purging false doctrines.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Exactly, as much preaching and teaching I have heard in 17 years how much does someone need?

17 years, 52 weeks a year, 3 times a week, 1-1/2 hour a lesson equals: 3,978 hours of learing.

is this described as "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"? 2 Tim 3:7

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Exactly, as much preaching and teaching I have heard in 17 years how much does someone need?

17 years, 52 weeks a year, 3 times a week, 1-1/2 hour a lesson equals: 3,978 hours of learing.

That's a really sad and self centered view of what it means to be a church. That's probably the same mindset a lot of youth have that end up leaving.

Church..we are the church. Our mission is not to sit on pews and get bored with the same message. I go to church meetings to SUPPORT what we are doing, which is trying to reach the lost, staying "fit" so that I can be always ready for God to use me, ministering to someone OTHER than myself...worshipping and or praising God in unity with others...which is exercising what it means to be one body in Christ, the operation of the gifts of the Spirit to the edifying of the body and supporting the preaching of the word.

Very often one does not have to go out side to reach the lost....they are often in our own backyards. I have taught many bible studies to folks that just visit our services.

Coop....when church is all about you I can see how hearing everything that needs to be heard might be a reason to attend less services...

What about your family? Your children?

BTW Church should be every day. I believe families need to have church at home between services with prayer and some bible reading. It does not have to consume an hour or even half an hour, but it should be consistant

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's a really sad and self centered view of what it means to be a church. That's probably the same mindset a lot of youth have that end up leaving.

I was all that, I was not complaining.
So take off!


Very often one does not have to go out side to reach the lost....they are often in our own backyards. I have taught many bible studies to folks that just visit our services.

What a rude dude. Get a grip.

What about my family??

Take them to a Cult? Or take them to Trinity???

Looks like catch 22.


BTW Church should be every day. I believe families need to have church at home between services with prayer and some bible reading. It does not have to consume an hour or even half an hour, but it should be consistant

Zealots!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's a really sad and self centered view of what it means to be a church. That's probably the same mindset a lot of youth have that end up leaving.

Church..we are the church. Our mission is not to sit on pews and get bored with the same message. I go to church meetings to SUPPORT what we are doing, which is trying to reach the lost, staying "fit" so that I can be always ready for God to use me, ministering to someone OTHER than myself...worshipping and or praising God in unity with others...which is exercising what it means to be one body in Christ, the operation of the gifts of the Spirit to the edifying of the body and supporting the preaching of the word.

Very often one does not have to go out side to reach the lost....they are often in our own backyards. I have taught many bible studies to folks that just visit our services.

Coop....when church is all about you I can see how hearing everything that needs to be heard might be a reason to attend less services...

What about your family? Your children?

BTW Church should be every day. I believe families need to have church at home between services with prayer and some bible reading. It does not have to consume an hour or even half an hour, but it should be consistant

So far, this has been the best post in this thread.

Originally Posted by COOPER

Exactly, as much preaching and teaching I have heard in 17 years how much does someone need?

17 years, 52 weeks a year, 3 times a week, 1-1/2 hour a lesson equals: 3,978 hours of learing.

Do you feel the same about your doctor or dentist or even your plumber?

Rethink, for this statement is foolishness.

Originally Posted by Michlow

And once the saints are equipped? I mean, honestly, how long does the spoon-feeding needs to go on? Then need to be trained and then released to work. Just my opinion of course, and such worth very little.

What kind of vile, wicked, evil thing is in your heart that you would DARE call the purpose of the "five-fold ministry" (to equip the saints to do the work of serving God) "spoon-feeding"? You're saying that GOD'S PURPOSE for apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers (or, perhaps more correctly, pastor-teachers) is spoon-feeding!

The problem, more often than not, is that the saints don't want to be equipped, they want to sit on their blessed assurance and be spoon-fed. They want to be blessed, made to feel good about themselves, to be ministered to.

Some saints take longer to equip than others (usually because of the saints themselves). As for releasing them, they're to be released when God says to release them (an example is when the Holy Ghost told certain prophets and teachers in Antioch to send Paul and Barnabas on what we call Paul's first missionary journey).

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Chan

What kind of vile, wicked, evil thing is in your heart that you would DARE call the purpose of the "five-fold ministry" (to equip the saints to do the work of serving God) "spoon-feeding"? You're saying that GOD'S PURPOSE for apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers (or, perhaps more correctly, pastor-teachers) is spoon-feeding!

The problem, more often than not, is that the saints don't want to be equipped, they want to sit on their blessed assurance and be spoon-fed. They want to be blessed, made to feel good about themselves, to be ministered to.

Some saints take longer to equip than others (usually because of the saints themselves). As for releasing them, they're to be released when God says to release them (an example is when the Holy Ghost told certain prophets and teachers in Antioch to send Paul and Barnabas on what we call Paul's first missionary journey).

Oh Chan, you are so easy to get riled up, and for once I wasn't even trying!

yes, I do think there is a point where what should be "equipping" turns into spoon-feeding. Call me wicked or vile or what have you. (Or course I am sure you already think I am all that just for being a woman who dares to speak her mind...)

I really could care less about what others do. But perhaps I feel that I have been adequately equipped? That is if you think women are even smart enough to understand the Bible, or spiritual enough to have a relationship with God.

Oh well, at least you are predictable.

Originally Posted by Michlow

Oh Chan, you are so easy to get riled up, and for once I wasn't even trying!

yes, I do think there is a point where what should be "equipping" turns into spoon-feeding. Call me wicked or vile or what have you. (Or course I am sure you already think I am all that just for being a woman who dares to speak her mind...)

I really could care less about what others do. But perhaps I feel that I have been adequately equipped? That is if you think women are even smart enough to understand the Bible, or spiritual enough to have a relationship with God.

Oh well, at least you are predictable.

If you think you've been equipped, then what are you doing about it?

My strong objection was to your equating the BIBLICAL function of equipping the saints with spoon-feeding.

[Steve Epley]

I am glad I have noi lost my first love for God-church-the man of God-Bible-fellowship. He is my dwellingplace no where I occationally visit.