Christian hostages murdered by Somali Pirates

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm the insensitive one when you are the one that decided their deaths would make a good discussion starter on the "conflict of dual citizenship" as you put it?

Yes.


How is the discussion about a Christian response vs. our tension of a political response insensitive?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Yes.


How is the discussion about a Christian response vs. our tension of a political response insensitive?

In the same way that a discussion about faith in God's deliverance vs. God's choice to not deliver is insensitive!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by jfrog

In the same way that a discussion about faith in God's deliverance vs. God's choice to not deliver is insensitive!

I see where you're going with that.

The deal is, suggesting that the victims didn't have enough faith (even in a philosophical way) to deliver themselves from death, is beyond "how should a Christian respond?" Surely you see the difference?

And are you suggesting what you said wasn't insensitive, or just the thread itself is insensitive?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I see where you're going with that.

The deal is, suggesting that the victims didn't have enough faith (even in a philosophical way) to deliver themselves from death, is beyond "how should a Christian respond?" Surely you see the difference?

And are you suggesting what you said wasn't insensitive, or just the thread itself is insensitive?

I'm suggesting that what I said wasn't in the least bit insensitive.

[Michael The Disciple]

If indeed the missionaries were true Christians the response should be they were laboring for the name of Jesus and obviously knew the danger they faced. If they were killed doing this it is certainly a glorious thing and they should be held in high esteem by Christians.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If indeed the missionaries were true Christians the response should be they were laboring for the name of Jesus and obviously knew the danger they faced. If they were killed doing this it is certainly a glorious thing and they should be held in high esteem by Christians.

And that, MTD, is how the Christian views suffering & death. Thanks for chiming in.

Of course your use of the word "real" Christians would have you and I disagreeing, but I'll take what I can

[jfrog]

I wonder how the story of the Good Samaritan would be different if a robber was still around beating the man when the priest the levite and the samaritan came by.

I bet the priest and levite would have ran. I bet the samaritan would have tried to fight off the lone thief. I think Jesus would have us fight for the oppressed but maybe not for our own oppression

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I wonder how the story of the Good Samaritan would be different if a robber was still around beating the man when the priest the levite and the samaritan came by.

I bet the priest and levite would have ran. I bet the samaritan would have tried to fight off the lone thief. I think Jesus would have us fight for the oppressed but maybe not for our own oppression

Defending, not fighting... of course we are a projecting into a hypothetical story that never happened. Jesus' message was exactly the opposite. He asks us to trust that He's in control.

I'm certainly not opposed to taking action, but what the action looks like, and the attitude of which Christians support that action to me are much more critical.

Protecting the defenseless, defending the oppressed and marginalized is completely within the scope of Jesus' message. How that is accomplished, and what perspective that is accomplished are different.

MLK Jr. didn't "do nothing" in his action toward civil rights...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Defending, not fighting... of course we are a projecting into a hypothetical story that never happened. Jesus' message was exactly the opposite. He asks us to trust that He's in control.

I'm certainly not opposed to taking action, but what the action looks like, and the attitude of which Christians support that action to me are much more critical.

Protecting the defenseless, defending the oppressed and marginalized is completely within the scope of Jesus' message. How that is accomplished, and what perspective that is accomplished are different.

MLK Jr. didn't "do nothing" in his action toward civil rights...

Jesus didn't want us to think he was in control like the workless Christians of James 2 seemed to think. I bet those some Christians were even praying that their brothers needs were met... but they were still called out.

MLK is a hero and amazing because he was non violence... however there were other civil rights heroes who did use violence to defend themselves. Was he somehow a better Christian than them?

[Truthseeker]

Amazing some here defend catholicism, amazing.