Timmy, we agree on something! Is that the first or the second time, and will it ever happen again?
I seem to recall another time, once, maybe, kinda.
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I have started pondering about the appropriateness of rendering an image of Christ, especially considering the strict prohibition on such imagery in the Law. God commanded it, and I am no longer certain that it is an acceptable practice. Why do we feel comfortable with this I wonder? Is it not borderline sacrilege?
I disagree!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I think it's just if we pray to an image or worship an image. If there is scripture otherwise I don't know about it.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.” Exodus 20:4-6
it looks to me like there is scripture.
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**Original Matthew 28:19 Restored**
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.” Exodus 20:4-6
it looks to me like there is scripture.
Is a picture a graven image?
And I do stand corrected on the scripture, thank you.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I will be disputing that. You might also be descended from Eve and the Serpent, through Cain (Scripture verifies this in many places) or, there is ample evidence of an eighth day creation, as reflected in Scripture's delineation of men into "ish" or "adam." This delineation has not survived translation, but may be seen in the primitive texts, or by clicking "lexicon" in the relevant verses online.
This also clarifies who Cain could have married in the Land of Nod.
We surely did not all descend from Adam and Eve.
But ok, if you translate Gen 4:1 that way,
which I understand, you are left with no other Scriptural support,
but must refute several verses to the contrary.
I'll admit it seems contradictory at first;
I did hear an illuminating message on this,
years ago, but I've forgotten the argument now-
-I remem it's even better than "ya,
that would be the first time a pregnant woman
'got pregnant' by a cuckolded man."
your way of translation is probably not the proper way since it does say adam is cain's father.
genesis 4:1 is very explicit
vat·ta·har וַתַּ֙הַר֙ to conceive, become pregnant
in order to be pregnent adam had to
had relations יָדַ֖ע ya·da 3045 to know. they had sex dude
And I do stand corrected on the scripture, thank you.
a graven image was a object carved from wood or stoned and was worshipped. this was considered idolatry.
if making a picture of Jesus was considered idolatry, those saints that hid in the catacombs of ephesus who fled persecution in fears of being gladiator sport meat, they didnt seem to think so, since they drew pictures on the walls of the cave
By our first birth we are children of the devil.
By our second birth we are children of God.
Jesus told those very religious folks back there, "Ye are of your father the devil" in John 8:44. Ephesians 2 says that we are by nature (our human nature that we inherited at our first birth) the children of wrath, that BC (before Christ comes in) we are spiritually dead. In 1 John 3:12 it says that "Cain...was of that wicked one....". In my opinion, this means Cain as well as all of the rest of us were born into a fallen family and were under the control of satan. It does not mean that satan physically fathered us.
I have read several of Bro. Willliam Branham's sermons over the year. He taught that before Adam and Eve came together sexually, she had already had sex with satan and was pregnant with Cain. So according to the way Bro. Branham taught, Eve was the mother of Cain but Adam was not his father and Eve was the mother of Abel and Adam was Abel's father.
Sorry if I missed it, but have you posted the scripture that says Satan was the father of Cain? And what the "correct" translation of Genesis 4:1 ("And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD") is?
Ok, that's NT, and I'm rushing now...stated plainly, I just read it, Sam will know,
or I'll find it tonight. I read Gen 4:1 like you do, but there are arguments that at least posit that some time passed here, between the action verbs, I'll hunt for that, too.
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