If Trinitarins are so lost why does God Baptize them with His Spirit? Is He just playing a cruel joke on them?
He allows Trinitarians to receive the Holy Ghost, just as He allowed those to whom He said, " depart from me," (Matt 7:22) to those who performed miracles in His name, cast out demons and prophesied. God can't deny His spoken word. His word allows you access to the supernatural irregardless of you possessing truth. However, by His word you will also be judged in the end. His love can't surpass his word, and it's for that reason those who professed to know Him were cast away. His love and faithfullness allows you access to the supernatural but His righteouness and spoken word will bring Judgement. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
Last edited by Jacob's Ladder; 01-25-2013 at 06:53 AM.
He allows Trinitarians to receive the Holy Ghost, just as He allowed those to whom He said, " depart from me," (Matt 7:22) to those who performed miracles in His name, cast out demons and prophesied. God can't deny His spoken word. His word allows you access to the supernatural irregardless of you possessing truth. However, by His word you will also be judged in the end. His love can't surpass his word, and it's for that reason those who professed to know Him were cast away. His love and faithfullness allows you access to the supernatural but His righteouness and spoken word will bring Judgement. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
Thank you for taking time to answer my question. Based upon your interpretation of this one scripture then yes in fact God is playing a cruel joke on Trinitarians. He is also placing His Spirit in a dirty vessel, just because. We both know that scripture supports scripture. I want to seek the entire counsel of God so let's look further.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus said those that work iniquity: Iniquity: (anomian) described here is defined as He who works or does iniquity, meaning a wicked impious person. (Impious: not showing respect or reverence, esp. for a god. Synonyms ungodly - godless - unholy - profane - irreligious)
38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
40 For he who is not against us is on our side.
41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
What say ye!
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
Thank you for taking time to answer my question. Based upon your interpretation of this one scripture then yes in fact God is playing a cruel joke on Trinitarians. He is also placing His Spirit in a dirty vessel, just because. We both know that scripture supports scripture. I want to seek the entire counsel of God so let's look further.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus said those that work iniquity: Iniquity: (anomian) described here is defined as He who works or does iniquity, meaning a wicked impious person. (Impious: not showing respect or reverence, esp. for a god. Synonyms ungodly - godless - unholy - profane - irreligious)
38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
40 For he who is not against us is on our side.
41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
What say ye!
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In the scriptures above, John reveals there was someone (one individual) casting out demons utilizing "the name," and the apostles forbade him/her (prohibit) from performing those acts because the individual didn't follow "us."
What was the motive of this one individual? Furthermore, what caused the individual to not "follow us?" The apostles forbade him/her, and that causes me to believe the apostles discerned a flaw in this individual.
John states:
1 John 2:19
They left us. However, they were never really part of us. If they had been, they would have stayed with us. But by leaving they made it clear that none of them were part of us
Just because this individual wasn't against them doesn't mean she/he belonged to the flock either. If I own a business and someone is marketing my product among the crowds, that individual isn't against me, however, that individual is neither part of me. Had she/he been part of me, he/she would have need of wearing my company's uniform and following my company's guidelines. And if this individual approached me and asked for a "paycheck" after marketing my company, I would deny his/her request because he/she isn't my employee (depart from me), you who pretended to be my employee and failed to represent my company correctly, because you chose to abide by your guidelines and not those established by me.
This man/women wasn't against me and was on my side, and perhaps he/she prospered in certains areas by utilizing my product, but he/she will not have access to the benefits my company provides because he/she was "not of me." You will know my employees by their fruit. They will wear my uniform and abide by my guidelines. I don't care if they can fix a computer by using my software, that doesn't make them my employee. So don't trying showing up at my Christmas banquet and tell me to let you in because you fixed various computers with my software. I never knew you, depart from me, ye workers of iniquity.
These people committed inquity against me because they failed to market my product by my guidelines and instead used their own method. That's a injustice toward me and my company!
Last edited by Jacob's Ladder; 01-26-2013 at 05:55 AM.
In the scriptures above, John reveals there was someone (one individual) casting out demons utilizing "the name," and the apostles forbade him/her (prohibit) from performing those acts because the individual didn't follow "us."
What was the motive of this one individual? Furthermore, what caused the individual to not "follow us?" The apostles forbade him/her, and that causes me to believe the apostles discerned a flaw in this individual.
John states:
1 John 2:19
They left us. However, they were never really part of us. If they had been, they would have stayed with us. But by leaving they made it clear that none of them were part of us
Just because this individual wasn't against them doesn't mean she/he belonged to the flock either. If I own a business and someone is marketing my product among the crowds, that individual isn't against me, however, that individual is neither part of me. Had she/he been part of me, he/she would have need of wearing my company's uniform and following my company's guidelines. And if this individual approached me and asked for a "paycheck" after marketing my company, I would deny his/her request because he/she isn't my employee (depart from me), you who pretended to be my employee and failed to represent my company correctly, because you chose to abide by your guidelines and not those established by me.
This man/women wasn't against me and was on my side, and perhaps he/she prospered in certains areas by utilizing my product, but he/she will not have access to the benefits my company provides because he/she was "not of me." You will know my employees by their fruit. They will wear my uniform and abide by my guidelines. I don't care if they can fix a computer by using my software, that doesn't make them my employee. So don't trying showing up at my Christmas banquet and tell me to let you in because you fixed various computers with my software. I never knew you, depart from me, ye workers of iniquity.
These people committed inquity against me because they failed to market my product by my guidelines and instead used their own method. That's a injustice toward me and my company!
Mr Ladder after 2 nights off the clock that was the best you could do. I think your a Baptist.
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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