Thoughts on clothes line preachers

[NLYP]

MY GOD SISTER......you are telling it like it is....THAT is the point we make when we get branded "Liberals"....thanks for speaking clearly our agenda.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have been back into the rain forest of Brazil and with indians that were completely naked...bones in their noses, and war paint on their bodies....I did not feel as unconfortable as I have felt at meetings when all I heard was a clothesline message...
Do I believe they need to put clothes on? Yes, of course...Did I tell them that? No, I told them of a loving savior...He hung naked between heaven and earth so that all men might hear the love story...
My good friends, Americans major on minors and minor on majors...please forgive my frankness but that is so.
Do I dress holy? Ask Brother John, Sister Cooper that write here on this board...Ask Elder Epley he saw me a few months ago. Of, course I do. I am from the old school of thought but.........
We "preach" a holy God...but the real teaching is to "live" a holy God...His ways, His life style, a 24/7 thing....This salvation MUST become a life to us not a Sunday and Wednesday thing for a couple of hours. We must be consumed with HIS HOLINESS not a bunch on man made things.
What is man made? WEll, you go home and study...pray, seek...We must become ONE with our creator. To be one with HIM is to be like him...
Jesus did not see things as we do...He looked from another set of eyes...He willed us, gave us His eyes...He spoke often about it...
I am weeping writing this to think how carnal we have become in the light of eternity...
One preacher came down here and tryed to convince me our women should wear hose...HOW FOOLISH...HOW VAIN...when half the world starves for a crust of dry old bread from your table he tells me to buy my ladies hose...

So many are like firemen who straighten pictures in buring houses...

WOW---forgive me Jesus! Thank you, Sister Alvear! I am proud to call you Sister!

[tv1a]

Some of the conservative ladies on the West Coast should take a page from the First Lady of AFF. More ladies in the states need to learn from this fine lady.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have been back into the rain forest of Brazil and with indians that were completely naked...bones in their noses, and war paint on their bodies....I did not feel as unconfortable as I have felt at meetings when all I heard was a clothesline message...
Do I believe they need to put clothes on? Yes, of course...Did I tell them that? No, I told them of a loving savior...He hung naked between heaven and earth so that all men might hear the love story...
My good friends, Americans major on minors and minor on majors...please forgive my frankness but that is so.
Do I dress holy? Ask Brother John, Sister Cooper that write here on this board...Ask Elder Epley he saw me a few months ago. Of, course I do. I am from the old school of thought but.........
We "preach" a holy God...but the real teaching is to "live" a holy God...His ways, His life style, a 24/7 thing....This salvation MUST become a life to us not a Sunday and Wednesday thing for a couple of hours. We must be consumed with HIS HOLINESS not a bunch on man made things.
What is man made? WEll, you go home and study...pray, seek...We must become ONE with our creator. To be one with HIM is to be like him...
Jesus did not see things as we do...He looked from another set of eyes...He willed us, gave us His eyes...He spoke often about it...
I am weeping writing this to think how carnal we have become in the light of eternity...
One preacher came down here and tryed to convince me our women should wear hose...HOW FOOLISH...HOW VAIN...when half the world starves for a crust of dry old bread from your table he tells me to buy my ladies hose...

So many are like firemen who straighten pictures in buring houses...

Sis. Alvear, You are right Amen and Amen!:sshhh

Blessings, Rhoni

[Sister Alvear]

I really do not know anything about fusses and fights on the west coast so whatever I personally say is not in anyway to belittle anyone...I live thousands of miles from the west coast and have no contacts that give me news from there. Really as a mother in the church I leave those kinds of things to the men...I speak out only as a church mother and a lifetime missionary.
I just get the feeling that many of the places I go, the meetings I sit in even though we may "look" different we are far removed from the early church and its ways and practices.
One concerned saint said to me, Sister Alvear, we have no miracles in our mists...signs and wonders are almost a thing of the past in some "solid" churches...not to mention the gifts of the spirit. The first Church was filled with signs and wonders. The first church had the gifts and the fruit of the spirit.
My friends we need to seek God, lift up a cry for God's spirit and His rightousness in our mist. The first church WENT everywhere preaching, read Acts 8:1-5...
The first chuch HAD the fruit of the spirit. They were known NOT for what they professed to believe BUT for HOW they lived. They were consumed with love even for those that hated them.
Read some church history. It was not forms and fashions and endless traditions BUT they earnestly sought to "bring" Jesus back in their day.

More later...

[TalkLady]

I think if we build "it" they will come (stop thinking about FOD)..If we build "the fire," people will come to see what is going on. ....Back in the 70s, things were so different. ...Even the doctors and lawyers sometimes came out to hear the evangelists or just for regular services...Now it's hard to even get the "regulars" to be at church. You said we major in the minors sometimes and how true that is. ....I get so sick of people disfellowshipping others because of watch or no watch, color of pantyhose, what you call yourself, the way you wear your hair - up or down, internet or tv, short sleeves or no short sleeves, and on and on....I can tell from my own posts that I don't need to be online tonight...LOL

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really do not know anything about fusses and fights on the west coast so whatever I personally say is not in anyway to belittle anyone...I live thousands of miles from the west coast and have no contacts that give me news from there. Really as a mother in the church I leave those kinds of things to the men...I speak out only as a church mother and a lifetime missionary.
I just get the feeling that many of the places I go, the meetings I sit in even though we may "look" different we are far removed from the early church and its ways and practices.
One concerned saint said to me, Sister Alvear, we have no miracles in our mists...signs and wonders are almost a thing of the past in some "solid" churches...not to mention the gifts of the spirit. The first Church was filled with signs and wonders. The first church had the gifts and the fruit of the spirit.
My friends we need to seek God, lift up a cry for God's spirit and His rightousness in our mist. The first church WENT everywhere preaching, read Acts 8:1-5...
The first chuch HAD the fruit of the spirit. They were known NOT for what they professed to believe BUT for HOW they lived. They were consumed with love even for those that hated them.
Read some church history. It was not forms and fashions and endless traditions BUT they earnestly sought to "bring" Jesus back in their day.

More later...

[Sister Alvear]

You are right they don't remain naked. But they don't wear white shirts and ties either! (Sister Alvear smiles)
I "invented" this title to get everyone's attention to try to get us all thinking about what is most important to God and that is the saving of souls. I am painfully aware of the standard issue and many of our differences. I have noticed and maybe because women seem to notice details and men seem to see the wide view that my input might help.
Far too much time is spent fussing and fighting over things that don't amount to a hill of beans. Things such as what color to wear, hose or no hose, hair up or down, chap stick or no chap stick, medicine or no medicine and on and on...It is alright to have what we feel the Lord requires of us but it is not right to sit and judge others...work in your field...do your best.
Fuss about who is more spiritual...who goes to Disney who goes to Epcot...and on and on we go.

Let me say this is not directed at Elder Epley. I have utmost respect for him and I would say on a personal basis there is little difference in his church and my church. This is not directed to those in either field...as a personal attack. I respect those that are different. I try to learn from them and many glean a gem or two from me.
One of the greatest lessons of life I learned or maybe I should say was said to me by a Jehovah's Witness friend. This was years ago but I mentioned maybe someday leaving the mission field...she looked at me and said, How can a person leave what Jehovah has called them to do..." I was going through the GREATEST trial of my life...and here a JW comes to my door to tell me about planet earth where they plan to clean up and in our talks all of a sudden we begin talking about the call that Jehovah gives people...She did not know what I was going through but GOD did and I might have made the wrong decision if it had not come from the mouth of someone that knew nothing of what I was going through...God spoke to me through her...She never even knew for many years that her words caused me to make a choice and it was the right choice...
God uses different people...I do not feel because of that my friend is saved but I do not tear her down. I disagree with what her church teaches.

We must look for Jesus in everybody. Some have become bitter over things and their writings reflect bitterness yet we must not respond on the same level. We must try to bring them to a higher level through our words, our writings and our deeds.
There are things we all hold dear to us. I am from the old school. I still like to sing, I'LL fly away...my son hates it! I have two choices to try to understand his song that I have to listen to a dozen times to even understand some of the words or bury my head in the sand and sing I'll fly away...So I tell him, Son that is an interesting song you just sang...(interesting because we speak the same language and I just didn't quite get it) his eyes shine...he strums d and starts singing, I'll fly away...(winks at me and says, " for you mother")

I will never "agree" to something that I feel is wrong but some things are not wrong.

He just got him a motorcycle...My do I hate that thing...that noise, that attention...but he loves it...I am not going to tell him I hate his motorcycle. I told him it sure was a pretty color...and he works in my office so it is faster to use and cheaper than going by bus to do errands.

My friends "be an encourager".
Look for Jesus; he often appears in strange places...

We cannot teach people until we go...the go is before teaching...

I would not be afraid to put my people up beside any "strict" church in America...Our people are christians and that is what I spend my time teaching them everyday, to be a christian. Live what you believe, believe what you live...We will die for our convictions but seldom would anyone die for a preference.

Maybe more later…packing to go to the jungle…my time is very limited…I love you folks where ever you are camped out I love you.

[TalkLady]

Thank you, Sis. Alvear, for your words of wisdom...I really needed this post.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

You are right they don't remain naked. But they don't wear white shirts and ties either! (Sister Alvear smiles)
I "invented" this title to get everyone's attention to try to get us all thinking about what is most important to God and that is the saving of souls. I am painfully aware of the standard issue and many of our differences. I have noticed and maybe because women seem to notice details and men seem to see the wide view that my input might help.
Far too much time is spent fussing and fighting over things that don't amount to a hill of beans. Things such as what color to wear, hose or no hose, hair up or down, chap stick or no chap stick, medicine or no medicine and on and on...It is alright to have what we feel the Lord requires of us but it is not right to sit and judge others...work in your field...do your best.
Fuss about who is more spiritual...who goes to Disney who goes to Epcot...and on and on we go.

Let me say this is not directed at Elder Epley. I have utmost respect for him and I would say on a personal basis there is little difference in his church and my church. This is not directed to those in either field...as a personal attack. I respect those that are different. I try to learn from them and many glean a gem or two from me.
One of the greatest lessons of life I learned or maybe I should say was said to me by a Jehovah's Witness friend. This was years ago but I mentioned maybe someday leaving the mission field...she looked at me and said, How can a person leave what Jehovah has called them to do..." I was going through the GREATEST trial of my life...and here a JW comes to my door to tell me about planet earth where they plan to clean up and in our talks all of a sudden we begin talking about the call that Jehovah gives people...She did not know what I was going through but GOD did and I might have made the wrong decision if it had not come from the mouth of someone that knew nothing of what I was going through...God spoke to me through her...She never even knew for many years that her words caused me to make a choice and it was the right choice...
God uses different people...I do not feel because of that my friend is saved but I do not tear her down. I disagree with what her church teaches.

We must look for Jesus in everybody. Some have become bitter over things and their writings reflect bitterness yet we must not respond on the same level. We must try to bring them to a higher level through our words, our writings and our deeds.
There are things we all hold dear to us. I am from the old school. I still like to sing, I'LL fly away...my son hates it! I have two choices to try to understand his song that I have to listen to a dozen times to even understand some of the words or bury my head in the sand and sing I'll fly away...So I tell him, Son that is an interesting song you just sang...(interesting because we speak the same language and I just didn't quite get it) his eyes shine...he strums d and starts singing, I'll fly away...(winks at me and says, " for you mother")

I will never "agree" to something that I feel is wrong but some things are not wrong.

He just got him a motorcycle...My do I hate that thing...that noise, that attention...but he loves it...I am not going to tell him I hate his motorcycle. I told him it sure was a pretty color...and he works in my office so it is faster to use and cheaper than going by bus to do errands.

My friends "be an encourager".
Look for Jesus; he often appears in strange places...

We cannot teach people until we go...the go is before teaching...

I would not be afraid to put my people up beside any "strict" church in America...Our people are christians and that is what I spend my time teaching them everyday, to be a christian. Live what you believe, believe what you live...We will die for our convictions but seldom would anyone die for a preference.

Maybe more later…packing to go to the jungle…my time is very limited…I love you folks where ever you are camped out I love you.

[Sister Alvear]

sorry for being so scatted...this is written in between classes and lines of people that have came to talk to me today...

[Scott Hutchinson]

Certainly the Bible teaches modesty but if people are listening the Holy Ghost it will lead them into Bible Holiness because The Holy Spirit is a Holy Spirit.
Some preachers are like a broken record ,because all they know is what makes them sound holy in the pulpit ,rather than feeding the sheep.
I certainly recognize the fact that Pastors must teach on Holiness.