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Old 04-21-2014, 07:57 PM
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Re: The Free Gift of Salvation

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I was wondering that, myself.
He can change names, but the way he writes gives it away. Especially when Robert Sanders' post here:
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The salvation of God is free to those who
will do what is required to receive it.
looks exactly like "CJManzell's" post here:
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The salvation of God is free to those who
will do what is required to receive it.
To receive the salvation of God,
it will cost you your life.
First part is exactly the same.

How many names does this clown have on AFF? This is when an IP blocker would be useful when banning someone. Don't just ban the name, ban the IP.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:54 AM
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Re: The Free Gift of Salvation

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What did you give God in return for His salvation?
HE BOUGHT ME. HE OWNS ME.

1 Cor. 6:19-20

Or don’t you know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have from God? You are not your own, 6:20 for you were bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

See?
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:13 AM
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Re: The Free Gift of Salvation

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I guess someone forgot to tell the apostles we are not called to be the same as Jesus.

In this love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, even so are we in this world. 1 John 4:17

Only those who are like Jesus NOW have any assurance of FINAL salvation.

Anyone who claims to be IN HIM is supposed to be walking AS HE WALKED.

But whoever keeps his word, God’s love has most certainly been perfected in him. This is how we know that we are in him: 2:6 he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked. 1 John 2:5-6

So it is at PRESENT we are to be like JESUS.
Like Jesus yes. However, we cannot walk through walls... yet.
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:57 AM
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When you guys get it figured out, let me know.
LOL! You reminded me of....

Dear Optimist, Pessimist, Realist,

While you guys were busy arguing about the glass of water, I drank it!

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Old 04-22-2014, 09:59 AM
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LOL! You reminded me of....

Dear Optimist, Pessimist, Realist,

While you guys were busy arguing about the glass of water, I drank it!

Sincerely,
The Opportunist

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My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:09 AM
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Re: The Free Gift of Salvation

Many are not familiar with the doctrines of grace. Many also forget our nature and that we are body, soul, and spirit. Let's consider something...

Body - Flesh (Physical/Material form)
Soul - Mind (Reason, Will, Emotion)
Spirit - "Breath" (Living Essence/Inner Man)

When an elect child of God receives the Holy Ghost, their spirit's regeneration is complete. The Lord now lives in them and His life and power flows through them. They are one spirit with the Lord. They are branches of the true vine. Living extensions of Jesus. But that is only a reality experienced in their "spirit". The "soul" (mind) isn't regenerated yet. Indeed, it will not be regenerated until the resurrection. So the soul must be renewed daily through prayer, study, and sound biblical teaching. This is "putting on the mind of Christ". So, through regeneration the "spirit" has been made holy, and has a new nature. The soul/mind may not be fully aware of this reality because it is not regenerated yet... and indeed the soul/mind may not know biblical truths regarding prayer and surrender. Old thought patterns still exist and can pose a problem. And yes, these can lead to continued temptations and even sin. This is why it is imperative to renew one's mind. Also, there is the body. The physical body (like the soul) is un-regenerated and is still subject to hormones, biological impulses, desires, needs, chemical imbalances, etc. So, both the body and soul (mind) pose as obstacles to our sanctification (growth in Christlikeness). This struggle will exist throughout our earthly lives. As we mature in Christ greater victory is attained by putting on the mind of Christ and mortifying the desires and deeds of the flesh.

Consider this... our regenerated spirit which has partaken in the divine nature is trapped in an un-regenerated humanity. So, the possibility of sin is ever with us. So is the possibility of temptation. We fool ourselves if we even think we're above the un-regenerated aspects of our being. So, we must take heed... lest we fall. When we do fall something interesting happens. If our behaviors are sinful... they are against the new inner nature of the spirit (the inner man). And so, deep in our being, we have a gnawing awareness of sin. With it comes shame, guilt, depression, feelings of having failed God, and sometimes even the feeling that God doesn't love us anymore and has abandoned us in our sinful condition. This is because we have lost fellowship with God. The sin has caused guilt and shame that now get in the way and cause us to fear, run, and even hide from God. We forget so quickly that Christ was our once and for all atonement and propitiation. We can know that God hasn't cast us out in anger and wrath, but rather is waiting as a loving and patient Father for us to confess and re-align our thinking and actions with the inner nature (His Spirit) in the core of our spirit. When we do this, this is repentance. We align soul with spirit and take control over the desires of the flesh once more, bringing harmony and peace to our entire being. This process is actually beneficial. After a lifetime of battling the carnal mind and the desires of the flesh... we have conditioned our "will" to desire perfection. And so when our souls and our bodies are finally regenerated in the resurrection we enter a state of "glorification"... that's complete regeneration (body, soul, and spirit). Every carnal inclination of mind and body will be vanquished. There will be absolutely no resistance to the now conditioned desire for perfection.

Let us not fall for the false doctrine of perfectionism... remember... until our glorification... we're still treasures in earthen vessels. And even our failures and weaknesses can serve to benefit us... if we approach the throne of grace.

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Old 04-22-2014, 10:15 AM
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Re: The Free Gift of Salvation

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HE BOUGHT ME. HE OWNS ME.

1 Cor. 6:19-20

Or don’t you know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have from God? You are not your own, 6:20 for you were bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

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Who owned you, before God bought you?
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I just read a Tweet saying they spotted a bumper sticker - "Christianity is not for Sissies".

What do ya think? You want one?
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Many are not familiar with the doctrines of grace. Many also forget our nature and that we are body, soul, and spirit. Let's consider something...

Body - Flesh (Physical/Material form)
Soul - Mind (Reason, Will, Emotion)
Spirit - "Breath" (Living Essence/Inner Man)

When an elect child of God receives the Holy Ghost, their spirit's regeneration is complete. The Lord now lives in them and His life and power flows through them. They are one spirit with the Lord. They are branches of the true vine. Living extensions of Jesus. But that is only a reality experienced in their "spirit". The "soul" (mind) isn't regenerated yet. Indeed, it will not be regenerated until the resurrection. So the soul must be renewed daily through prayer, study, and sound biblical teaching. This is "putting on the mind of Christ". So, through regeneration the "spirit" has been made holy, and has a new nature. The soul/mind may not be fully aware of this reality because it is not regenerated yet... and indeed the soul/mind may not know biblical truths regarding prayer and surrender. Old thought patterns still exist and can pose a problem. And yes, these can lead to continued temptations and even sin. This is why it is imperative to renew one's mind. Also, there is the body. The physical body (like the soul) is un-regenerated and is still subject to hormones, biological impulses, desires, needs, chemical imbalances, etc. So, both the body and soul (mind) pose as obstacles to our sanctification (growth in Christlikeness). This struggle will exist throughout our earthly lives. As we mature in Christ greater victory is attained by putting on the mind of Christ and mortifying the desires and deeds of the flesh.

Consider this... our regenerated spirit which has partaken in the divine nature is trapped in an un-regenerated humanity. So, the possibility of sin is ever with us. So is the possibility of temptation. We fool ourselves if we even think we're above the un-regenerated aspects of our being. So, we must take heed... lest we fall. When we do fall something interesting happens. If our behaviors are sinful... they are against the new inner nature of the spirit (the inner man). And so, deep in our being, we have a gnawing awareness of sin. With it comes shame, guilt, depression, feelings of having failed God, and sometimes even the feeling that God doesn't love us anymore and has abandoned us in our sinful condition. This is because we have lost fellowship with God. The sin has caused guilt and shame that now get in the way and cause us to fear, run, and even hide from God. We forget so quickly that Christ was our once and for all atonement and propitiation. We can know that God hasn't cast us out in anger and wrath, but rather is waiting as a loving and patient Father for us to confess and re-align our thinking and actions with the inner nature (His Spirit) in the core of our spirit. When we do this, this is repentance. We align soul with spirit and take control over the desires of the flesh once more, bringing harmony and peace to our entire being. This process is actually beneficial. After a lifetime of battling the carnal mind and the desires of the flesh... we have conditioned our "will" to desire perfection. And so when our souls and our bodies are finally regenerated in the resurrection we enter a state of "glorification"... that's complete regeneration (body, soul, and spirit). Every carnal inclination of mind and body will be vanquished. There will be absolutely no resistance to the now conditioned desire for perfection.

Let us not fall for the false doctrine of perfectionism... remember... until our glorification... we're still treasures in earthen vessels. And even our failures and weaknesses can serve to benefit us... if we approach the throne of grace.
I like this and agree, Aquila.
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Old 04-22-2014, 11:14 AM
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Re: The Free Gift of Salvation

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Who owned you, before God bought you?
Remember, time is a creation. God exists in an eternal state outside of time and space. God only condescends into time and space to relate to us. In actuality, God is transcendent of time. So, to God... what was "is"... and what is "is"... and what will be "is". An eternal state of "now-ness". I often equate it to omnipresence. In being omnipresent God is "everywhere"... with regards to transcendence... God is also "every-when"... all at once. So yes... Michael belonged to God long before God bought him (I assume you mean the crucifixion). Indeed, God knew, chose, ordained, and loved Michael before creation. God knew that without divine election... Michael would be lost. And so God predestined Michael in Christ as an elect child. God has even already planned all of Michael's days and even called Michael from his mother's womb. In God's eyes... Michael is already seated in glory. God sees Michael strictly as God has determined Michael to become. Not as Michael is. Not what Michael was... but what Michael will be... this is God's reality concerning Michael.

When we speak of God as though God is trapped in time with us... we tear Him down from being a transcendent and sovereign God and imagine Him as a time bound creature such as ourselves.

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