Obey them that have the rule over you

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Who is the Holy Spirit?

in this context, my interpreter. i've been led to amazing definition tweaks just by following trails in the Lex, feeling led by the Spirit to do so--so, that One.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it's hard for me to grasp why one could not translate for themselves, when we all have web lexicons available to us now. The KJV is a decent translation, but with obvious flaws. Personally i think one cheats themselves by relying on one version.

Who talks like this any more? Isn't the Bible hard enough already? i mean granted it's still the cornerstone but i never quote it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it's hard for me to grasp why one could not translate for themselves, when we all have web lexicons available to us now. The KJV is a decent translation, but with obvious flaws. Personally i think one cheats themselves by relying on one version.

In a round about way you are advocating making your own Bible, whether you realize it or not.


Since there are things you dont care for in the KJV, you then use a COMPLILATION of information to find the passage that fits your ideas better.

Something you can find more comfortable to read.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

In a round about way you are advocating making your own Bible, whether you realize it or not.


Since there are things you dont care for in the KJV, you then use a COMPLILATION of information to find the passage that fits your ideas better.

Something you can find more comfortable to read.

hmm. in order for that to be true, i would need a motivation to deviate from a passage, which i almost never have, and when i have this was revealed to me. Now, i do have a different understanding of a few passages now that i didn't before--"Easter" is just pagan, sorry--but really virtually everything else has been expansive, and not contradictive--similar to journeys from "hope" to "confident expectation." i now think the earth very possibly "became void" there in Gen 1, but that's like the next most fractious verse i can think of.

The things i don't care for in the KJV relate more to the language barrier, as words are weird for me anyway; i'm more of a numbers guy. The ESL Bible is like my fave! but really, there is little to gripe about accuracy-wise in the KJV; one just is forced to mentally re-translate somewhat on the fly. This removes Scripture from the common man, and puts it back in the hands of a few. What more vivid illustration than a pastor reading a passage of KJV, and stopping after every phrase to, basically, re-translate into our current English.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm. in order for that to be true, i would need a motivation to deviate from a passage, which i almost never have, and when i have this was revealed to me. Now, i do have a different understanding of a few passages now that i didn't before--"Easter" is just pagan, sorry--but really virtually everything else has been expansive, and not contradictive--similar to journeys from "hope" to "confident expectation." i now think the earth very possibly "became void" there in Gen 1, but that's like the next most fractious verse i can think of.



Have you even investigated OPEN MINDEDLY the use of the word EASTER there?(in the positive light?) I posted a perfect explanation of why it is used on another thread and the guys refused to read it. It was done by a PHD guy, not me. The guys were NOT INTERESTED in learning about the man's post, they just wanted to make the KJV wrong...no matter what anyone says. Well that is what I call UNTEACHABLE!!!
These same guys are trying to invent their own independent Bible(unwittingly) using multiple Greek works and multiple versions of the Bible. They are subliminally saying there is NO true word of God for us today, therefore it is up for grabs for us to translate as we see fit, independently. These same guys are nothing more than "closet translators", trying to appear intelligent, yet they are fooling themselves and others that listen to them.

The things i don't care for in the KJV relate more to the language barrier, as words are weird for me anyway; i'm more of a numbers guy. The ESL Bible is like my fave! but really, there is little to gripe about accuracy-wise in the KJV; one just is forced to mentally re-translate somewhat on the fly. This removes Scripture from the common man, and puts it back in the hands of a few. What more vivid illustration than a pastor reading a passage of KJV, and stopping after every phrase to, basically, re-translate into our current English.

I will not try to convince you something you DO NOT want to find out about.(I was ruthlessly, personally attacked on one thread by a pastor that had great disdain for the KJV and I shut it down).

I will only elaborate for folks that are sincerely wanting to know if there is a trusted Bible in existence for us to read today.

I will bomb them with info to prove that they can trust their KJV Bible as the authentic Word from the Lord for them in the days we live.

If every Bible is wrong then we ALL believe a lie!!!

I wont teach, preach, or quote a false Bible.

I look for posts that defend the KJV, not posts that seek to destroy its' integrity.

The day I believe my KJV is error prone is the day I stop talking about the Bible.

[Esaias]

My 8 year old reads the KJV daily. We all do as part of our daily routine. There is no "translating on the fly" if you are immersed in it.

Course all my kids learned to read by usin the KJV, stuff written pre-1900, etc so they have different tastes and requirements re what they find acceptable to read. Except my son who likes reading assembly, hex, C++, etc... lol

[Sean]

Amen, the KJV is written for the average grade school kid to comprehend, the modern versions have many words and phrases that require a high school minimum vocabulary.

[Esaias]

I have also found something "different" about folks who use the King James vs those who rely on the NIV or NASB or other "modern" versions as their primary English text. Something in their prayers, their outlook, lifestyle, spirituality, I dunno how to describe it... but I run into it all the time.

[Sean]

This is what I see as amazing bro....

I have heard and quoted under the unction of the Holy Ghost for 35 years the KJV verses, DIVINELY, from memory, quoted verbatim.

However, I have never heard one verse QUOTED from any other Bible by ANY minister or saint. ONLY READ FROM THE BOOK!

My conclusion by observation is the KJV is divinely anointed and inspired by the Lord!!!

[good samaritan]

This goes along with how I feel about the KJV. I look at the strong's and also have many translations, but I have faith in the KJV being the word of God in the English language. By all means study but I feel people are making a mistake to tamper with the meaning of its content.