Hair Cutting Party....

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by CC1

There is a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.

I think any pastor who tries to bring a congregation from one paradigm into another in a quick fashion is full of folly and will reap confusion.

Very careful groundwork over an extended period of time must be laid down through Biblical teaching to move peoples foundation from being wrapped around legalism to a better understanding of the Gospel.

Without that teaching and preaching over time any sudden outward changes cause a psychological mess in peoples minds as their conditioning over many years causes them great guilt that some then confuse with conviction.

......I would love to see this develope into a Thread...

[HangingOut]

Regardless of the stand on hair, your words of wisdom are appreciated.
I would wonder about a pastor that would mark a day for change on some of the very sensitive areas like uncut hair in apostolic circles.

Originally Posted by CC1

There is a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.

I think any pastor who tries to bring a congregation from one paradigm into another in a quick fashion is full of folly and will reap confusion.

Very careful groundwork over an extended period of time must be laid down through Biblical teaching to move peoples foundation from being wrapped around legalism to a better understanding of the Gospel.

Without that teaching and preaching over time any sudden outward changes cause a psychological mess in peoples minds as their conditioning over many years causes them great guilt that some then confuse with conviction.

[Steve Epley]

An pastor friend of mine in La.(elderly gentleman well known) said a young pastor not far from called his wife up front and cut her hair while the congregation shouted. This man would not embellish in the least. Also concerning what Steve Munsey did this was in the mouths of several saints who attended there for years. They were heart broken.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

An pastor friend of mine in La.(elderly gentleman well known) said a young pastor not far from called his wife up front and cut her hair while the congregation shouted. This man would not embellish in the least. Also concerning what Steve Munsey did this was in the mouths of several saints who attended there for years. They were heart broken.

The unavoidable outcome of this type of pastoral meddling is a big, hairy mess.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by CC1

There is a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.

I think any pastor who tries to bring a congregation from one paradigm into another in a quick fashion is full of folly and will reap confusion.

Very careful groundwork over an extended period of time must be laid down through Biblical teaching to move peoples foundation from being wrapped around legalism to a better understanding of the Gospel.

Without that teaching and preaching over time any sudden outward changes cause a psychological mess in peoples minds as their conditioning over many years causes them great guilt that some then confuse with conviction.

Well said CC1, I have seen people jerked for one paradigm to another and you are right it is usually disastrous.

It was a ten to fifteen year process for my wife and I, very careful to seek God and to know that He was our guide. The standards were not the issue at all, it was the deeper things that directed our paths. Contrary to most UC's perception, apparel and outward standards were the very least of our concerns and the last to go.

Some I have observed hated the outward so much that they jumped off the deep end and discovered they couldn't swim.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

There is a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.

I think any pastor who tries to bring a congregation from one paradigm into another in a quick fashion is full of folly and will reap confusion.

Very careful groundwork over an extended period of time must be laid down through Biblical teaching to move peoples foundation from being wrapped around legalism to a better understanding of the Gospel.

Without that teaching and preaching over time any sudden outward changes cause a psychological mess in peoples minds as their conditioning over many years causes them great guilt that some then confuse with conviction.

Hey Bro, what do you mean by that?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hey Bro, what do you mean by that?

Any religous sect that teaches and enforces strict corporate legalism deals in psychological conditioning whether they mean to or not.

In other words whether whatever rules are taught are actually biblical, neccessary for salvation, etc it doesn't matter if the sect places high value on them and places them as measurements of ones standing with God.

Therefore if one stops adhering to those rules they have been taught repeatedly for years are neccessary, wanted by God, and a sin to violate, they will experience guilt. That is psychological conditioning. It is also many times confused as "conviction". For this reason pastors who have taken years behind the scenes to change their thinking on corporate legalism then spring it on their congregations with little or no warning are making a terrible mistake.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

Any religous sect that teaches and enforces strict corporate legalism deals in psychological conditioning whether they mean to or not.

In other words whether whatever rules are taught are actually biblical, neccessary for salvation, etc it doesn't matter if the sect places high value on them and places them as measurements of ones standing with God.

Therefore if one stops adhering to those rules they have been taught repeatedly for years are neccessary, wanted by God, and a sin to violate, they will experience guilt. That is psychological conditioning. It is also many times confused as "conviction". For this reason pastors who have taken years behind the scenes to change their thinking on corporate legalism then spring it on their congregations with little or no warning are making a terrible mistake.

I see what you're saying. I must say this since I know some pastors who have done the "springing it on them" tactics. Those men really are not what I would call Biblical scholars, or were ever involed heavily in teaching their people. In fact they had congregations who were pretty clueless when it came to the what and why they were doing what they were doing.

So, when it came time for their pastor to give them a spiritual rope-a-dope, they ended up swinging on the pendulum far off into left field. Then when the pastor tried to bring everything into some kind of balance he ended up losing, the more seasoned part of the group. In any event the churches just end up becoming a hodge podge of Trinity, One Godish, flavor flav, kind of mainstream Mc Church.

Holiness is on a come back in this country. Pretty soon as the next generation gets sick of the Mc Donald Burger King plastic smile of bleached blonde (male and female) preachers and their mega church get'em in and puke'em out styles. We will see a whole new revival of holiness across this land.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[preachtruth1ness]

Originally Posted by CC1

There is a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.

I think any pastor who tries to bring a congregation from one paradigm into another in a quick fashion is full of folly and will reap confusion.

Very careful groundwork over an extended period of time must be laid down through Biblical teaching to move peoples foundation from being wrapped around legalism to a better understanding of the Gospel.

Without that teaching and preaching over time any sudden outward changes cause a psychological mess in peoples minds as their conditioning over many years causes them great guilt that some then confuse with conviction.

AMEN!!!!! THAT IS TRUE, You my friend could be a LAWYER!! That is a great article. You need to post that as a thread.
a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Here's something I don't understand... if a Pastor is going to change what he believes on Women cutting hair... Why do it so blatantly in your face type of of way?

I have heard of Pastors giving "hair Cutting" party on the Platform... Wife and others ladies getting their hair cut?

What is so celebratory about it other than possibly just a "wrong" spirit...

It just doesn't seem to be something to celebrate???

in other words I don't get it...

That is incredible. I've never heard of a hair cutting party. Nevermind the act - the attitude almost makes you sick at your stomach.

I agree with you.