Do we have to pay tithes?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

No God told them not to gather but only so much manna. And the quail would've only stayed good so long. But the absolutely had everything in common.

Please tell me (quote scripture) why you believe they had everything in common. If they had everything in common, what would be the point of tithing?

[Evang.Benincasa]

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother EB? Do you believe in tithing? I'm getting a little confused. I thought you didn't. Have your beliefs changed?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother EB? Do you believe in tithing? I'm getting a little confused. I thought you didn't. Have your beliefs changed?

Bro, i'm just keeping you going. I missed you, and since this is your only reason for posting here. I just I would keep the carrot on the stick.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, i'm just keeping you going. I missed you, and since this is your only reason for posting here. I just I would keep the carrot on the stick.

I was beginning to wonder! I have come to expect you to be truthful. Once again, I am not disappointed. I just have to ask the question directly, to get a direct answer.

Oh well. Carry on.

I'm going to post something on tongues of fire. Maybe that will give us all a break from tithes.

It's nice to be missed.

[1ofthechosen]

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You are assuming.

They did have money.

They paid the half shekel offering with money, in the wilderness. The tithe was tied to the promised land. It was God's plan. It continued to be God's plan until Jesus was crucified. They did not tithe until they entered the promised land. They did give the half shekel offering (and yes, it was money) while they were in the wilderness. God never intended for tithes to be money. If He had, he would have surely said so. He is not the author of confusion.

Then there is this Exodus 30:15 "The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls."

"The "shekel of the sanctuary" ( Exodus 30:13 ; Numbers 3:47 ) was equal to twenty gerahs ( Ezekiel 45:12 )."So what about this word gerah? Now the gerah my friend is "A gerah Hebrew "גרה" is an ancient Hebrew unit of weight and currency, which, according to the Bible, Exodus, 30:13, was equivalent to 1/40th of a shekel. God tells Moses, the payment for life ransom during the census taking is 1/2 a shekel, "which weighs twenty gerahs". This would make a whole gerah equal to 40 shekels. A shekel is 180 barleycorns or 60 carob divided by 20 = 3 carob. This is 0.568 grams." So we see that was a weight? A weight for what? It seems from the words in bold produce. That wasn't exactly money as we know it either... In fact the shekel is just a unit of weight. Especially in this time period.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

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Then there is this Exodus 30:15 "The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls."

"The "shekel of the sanctuary" ( Exodus 30:13 ; Numbers 3:47 ) was equal to twenty gerahs ( Ezekiel 45:12 )."So what about this word gerah? Now the gerah my friend is "A gerah Hebrew "גרה" is an ancient Hebrew unit of weight and currency, which, according to the Bible, Exodus, 30:13, was equivalent to 1/40th of a shekel. God tells Moses, the payment for life ransom during the census taking is 1/2 a shekel, "which weighs twenty gerahs". This would make a whole gerah equal to 40 shekels. A shekel is 180 barleycorns or 60 carob divided by 20 = 3 carob. This is 0.568 grams." So we see that was a weight? A weight for what? It seems from the words in bold produce. That wasn't exactly money as we know it either... In fact the shekel is just a unit of weight.

That's odd. Abraham thought it was money.

Gen.23
[15] My lord, hearken unto me: the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver; what is that betwixt me and thee? bury therefore thy dead.
[16] And Abraham hearkened unto Ephron; and Abraham weighed to Ephron the silver, which he had named in the audience of the sons of Heth, four hundred shekels of silver, current money with the merchant.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

That's odd. Abraham thought it was money.

Gen.23
[15] My lord, hearken unto me: the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver; what is that betwixt me and thee? bury therefore thy dead.
[16] And Abraham hearkened unto Ephron; and Abraham weighed to Ephron the silver, which he had named in the audience of the sons of Heth, four hundred shekels of silver, current money with the merchant.

And Abraham was dealing with a outside culture, who had a marketplace. You know and I know there was no currency, as in the currencies of our time. He may of had 400 shekels in weight of silver but he wasn't walking around with pressed money.

Matter of fact money is italicised in verse 16 meaning they added it. Proving it was a weight just as stated.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

And Abraham was dealing with a outside culture, who had a marketplace. You know and I know there was no currency, as in the currencies of our time. He may of had 400 shekels in weight of silver but he wasn't walking around with pressed money.

Matter of fact money is italicised in verse 16 meaning they added it. Proving it was a weight just as stated.

The Bible calls it money . . . you say it's not. I don't know but I believe I will go with . . . The Bible.

Bible, King James Version

Exod.30 Verses 15 to 16

[15] The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
[16] And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

Here's the next verse after Exodus 30:15. It also calls the half shekel money. It's crazy, I know. But do you think maybe that it really was money?

Weird.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

The Bible calls it money . . . you say it's not. I don't know but I believe I will go with . . . The Bible.

Bible, King James Version

Exod.30 Verses 15 to 16

[15] The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
[16] And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

Here's the next verse after Exodus 30:15. It also calls the half shekel money. It's crazy, I know. But do you think maybe that it really was money?

Weird.

Hold on do you need to see the weight system again?
""The "shekel of the sanctuary" ( Exodus 30:13 ; Numbers 3:47 ) was equal to twenty gerahs ( Ezekiel 45:12 )."So what about this word gerah? Now the gerah my friend is "A gerah Hebrew "גרה" is an ancient Hebrew unit of weight and currency, which, according to the Bible, Exodus, 30:13, was equivalent to 1/40th of a shekel. God tells Moses, the payment for life ransom during the census taking is 1/2 a shekel, "which weighs twenty gerahs". This would make a whole gerah equal to 40 shekels. A shekel is 180 barleycorns or 60 carob divided by 20 = 3 carob. This is 0.568 grams." So we see that was a weight? A weight for what? It seems from the words in bold produce. That wasn't exactly money as we know it either... In fact the shekel is just a unit of weight.

The word translated as "money" was keseph. Meaning " silver as a metal."

While it could be a weight of gold, silver, brass, or iron. It still was a weight. Which was the money!!

You know and I know there was no currency until what year? "Coins were introduced as a method of payment around the 6th or 5th century BCE."