The Persecution of Women in the Church

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He did not state that the Bible is the infallible Word of God.

Fine distinction there.

He denies parts of the Scripture.

You can't have it both ways.

This is about unveiling him, isn't it? Not about addressing some of the poignant cultural and historical issues... it's simply to discredit him.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

When portions of his argument depend on a preumption of error in the Scripture, it is relevant to discuss.

He was speaking of cultural issues and his reference to Paul's letters were not what you have deemed them to be ....

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Why answer the question when we can marginalize those that bring the question?

Unless Elder Coonskinner is advocating that it is God-ordained that woman should call their husbands "lord" or "master"

I do sometimes.

Ha!

[Sister Alvear]

So from the very beginning since sin entered the world there has been a war going on.
I am a student of Jewish history and am well aware of the Talmud and all it teaches about women...but the Talmud is not Bible and neither are customs.

( I will have to post by spurts as my office has been full all day)

Originally Posted by The Mrs

I still believe you were too quick to judge him, and you both were misunderstanding each other's intents.

I understood BOTH of your points of view...and they were both DIFFERENT.

I think he was trying to point out the exact thing that I just got done pointing out. There are examples in the bible of women being treated as second-class citizens...but that doesn't make it God ordained, or right.

There were CULTURAL examples...ones we don't follow today.

CH has stated that the bible is the inspired Word of God, and is infallible. You asked him some pointed questions that I believe he didn't answer because he doesn't HAVE to answer to you. But that's just a guess on my part.

He thought you were coming across pretty strongly...maybe you two got off on the wrong foot.

This guy is evidently the resident trouble maker so it really doesn't matter what we say. Division is of the devil.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

We've got ourselves a piece of work here, folks.

Besides which he posts discriminately for some reason avoiding replying to my .... a woman's .... posts. I feel denigrated and disrespected.

Now I have to figure out ...... is it a flesh problem or satanic attack. LOL.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He did not state that the Bible is the infallible Word of God.

Fine distinction there.

He denies parts of the Scripture.

You can't have it both ways.

But he did. I will quote these, but I think there needs to be more communication than what was there to determine this judgement, and you two are going to have to work that out.

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Thanks, but obviously we are on different pages. Man is infallible. God isn't. God's word isn't. Having said that, there are scriptures in the new and old testament that do not apply to us today. That's all I have to say on that subject, we are way too far off the beaten path.

(I'm pretty sure he meant to say that man is fallible, not infallible.)

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

I think I understand where he is coming from. Having studied early church histroy, there were many books and letters written to the churches and many have been lost to time. Paul was writing letters to the early churches of his missionary journeys, the H.G. inspired those letters and preserved them for us today to learn from and to teach the Gentile nations how to live Godly. They are God's word to us today. I believe the bible to be the inspired word of God.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

This guy is evidently the resident trouble maker so it really doesn't matter what we say. Division is of the devil.

No, he's not that either. He is very well respected around here.

You two would probably like each other.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is about unveiling him, isn't it? Not about addressing some of the poignant cultural and historical issues... it's simply to discredit him.

This discussion board is for Apostolic Pentecostal Christians who believe that the Bible, in it's entirety, is the word of God, is without error, and that it is completely relevant today. We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ. We do not, however, give place for the tearing down, the debating of, or destruction of, Apostolic doctrine, or the Christian faith in any form. The propagation of any doctrine that is contrary to the Apostolic doctrine not welcome here.

This is the point.

[Sister Alvear]

Spiritually we are all restored but even so reconciliation does not alter the natural aspects of Edenic curses. If we deny the full spiritual rights to women, we are tampering with the basic tenets of redemption. In a woman’s full spiritual rights there are limits just as a man also has limits. For the head of woman is the man and the head of man is Christ. Just because a man is masculine that does not mean he can be what Christ is. He must fulfill his duty as a man and the same rule applies to women and there are some things that God has reserved for men. We all know that in the natural, the earth produces weeds and women labor in childbirth, even though the believer is baptized with the Holy Ghost. Redemption is a spiritual reconciliation. If redemption is not what we say it is, then both men and women are in horrible bondage. But thanks be to God; whom the Son hath set free is free indeed. It is apparent that in the calling of a witness, God doesn’t call a man or a woman; He calls a human being who is endowed by God with the needed gifts and abilities to do God’s work.