If somebody can't honestly sign the affirmation statement,they proably shouldn't join the org.
If one is going to teach and preach things different from the org,why be a member of it ?
Do you think abortion should be legal?
Why be part of America?
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A TV can receive outside signals. A monitor by its self can only pick up what is set to it. No signals from TV stations unless modified. Cable would allow you to pick up outside signals.
If you have a monitor and a dvd player, I'm cool. But if you are using a tV as a monitor then do you not have a tv also?
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That is a cop out and a lot are using it. Does that make it ok.
So, it's ok to watch programs from a monitor and DVD player, but not on a TV? What's the difference, missing commercials? Who watches commercials anyway?
Also understand that not all spouses of licensed ministers are saved.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
TRFRance, they are asked if they OWN a television.
A man could honestly say he does not own one, and sign the affirmation statement, even though his wife or kids may own one in his home.
I love the way legalism always has loopholes.
Makes things so much more fun.
I'm sorry but the above statement in red can not hold water.
I quote, 2006 UPCI manaul, section under Ministry, Article VII, section 7, # 31 on page 49, "No minister having a television in his or her home shall be permitted to hold license or credentials with the United Pentecostal Church International. Furthermore, no United Pentecostal Church Internatinal minister shall be permitted to advertise or minister on television. This does not preclude unsolicited representatives of the news media coving functions."
The part in blue has changed. Now they can preach on tv nd advertise on tv but can not have a tv in their home.
A licensed UPCI minister can not have a tv in their HOME.
If I am wrong, please state section, article #, section #, page # and quote it.
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If the television is hers, it's also his, understanding they are no longer two but one. In another instance, if the minister has a television and utilizes that mentality as an excuse to own a television, he's still rendered a coward and a liar. Reason being he's the head of the household and what is brought into his home must first get his approval. If he approves of something he shouldn't, he's as guilty as his wife.
6) But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. +
7) FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,
8) AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Different. I had not looked at it from that stand point. Good
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I'm very much a part of it my friend. I'm licsensed with the ALJC's because I could not/would not tell that lie on the paper and I attend a UPCI church where I am the assisitant pastor.
I have a great pastor who stands by me and understands where I'm coming from and helped me get into the ALJC.
Why didn't you want to get rid of your TV?
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I see nothing wrong with tv. I do see something wrong with certain shows. I have a button to change channels or turn it off. It is part of technology. A person must be wise in its usage.
I do have problem with people that lie on purpose.
Also because of technology the interent has taken over. I would be hard pressed to name just one minister who does not use it. Yet, it can bring in a whole lot more than tv, but the manual does not say a minister can not have a computer or internet in his home. That question is not asked on the application.
My (misunderstanding) and I guess I never will understand, is why will a person lie just to get a license in an organization that stands for truth, and then get up and preach truth when they lied to start with.
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My (misunderstanding) and I guess I never will understand, is why will a person lie just to get a license in an organization that stands for truth, and then get up and preach truth when they lied to start with.
What you need to understand is that UPCI rules and bylaws in the manual are NOT there to help ministers conform to general principles of ethics, honesty and christianity.
Those bylaws are there for convenient clubs for district boards/national leadership to use in selective enforcement to go after whoever they have a mad on for - someone not politically or genetically connected.
Always have been.
Probably always will be.
That's the simple answer to what you're agonizing over.
Please don't forget that having a VCR most likely breaks the rules in the manual as well, unless the VCR does not have a tuner (which is kinda rare).
Some believe that not hooking an antenna or cable to the tuner input mean that it has been "altered" so that it cannot receive channels, while others believe you have to open it up and physically snip the wires for it to be considered disabled...
and still others, believe this is an archaic rule, kinda like being arrested for spitting on the sidewalk and just ignore it.
What you need to understand is that UPCI rules and bylaws in the manual are NOT there to help ministers conform to general principles of ethics, honesty and christianity.
Those bylaws are there for convenient clubs for district boards/national leadership to use in selective enforcement to go after whoever they have a mad on for - someone not politically or genetically connected.
Always have been.
Probably always will be.
That's the simple answer to what you're agonizing over.
You are right my friend and to keep out others not wanted in to start with.
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and I guess I never will understand, is why will a person lie just to get a license in an organization that stands for truth, and then get up and preach truth when they lied to start with.
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