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11-24-2008, 05:00 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
You're missing my point.
In many ways, the two men are as different as night and day. Yes, we know that.
However, for decades, Billy Graham has been the face of American Christianity to many Americans. And the evangelical movement has benefited because of it. (And at this point, the sun is pretty much setting on the career and influence of Billy Graham.)
Yet, never has a preacher of Apostolic/Pentecostal background risen to the level of prominence Jakes is reaching. His prominence, assuming he doesnt go "off track" could be a good thing for the Pentecostal message; that's all I'm saying.
I know the show is not going to be a "preacher show"... (Jakes has a degree in Psychology, making it even more likely this will just be a general "advice" program) . But if God is in this, the increase in national exposure Jakes that will receive from this TV show could still be net positive for the furtherance of the gospel.
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Billy Grahams ministry is nothing to be compared. He didn't have a mega church. He always preached the gospel..He was an evangelist. He didn't make a killing off the gospel.
If national exposure for Jakes is what it is, I don't think God is in it. Let's get back to the word. We are to magnify HIM...not our tents, not our names, not our ministries.
Compare the first church with today. It was drastically different. The church was the "invisible church"...they died for the gospel, not "got rich off the gospel"....All this noteriety for named preachers seems to run counter to what I read in the bible.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-24-2008, 05:24 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by Jeanie
Jakes is definitely one of the most gifted orators of our time. He really stands alone when it comes to preaching and delivering a sermon. He is truly amazing.
I don't think it's small minded per say to be concerned. But I am willing to see what he does and let the end product speak for itself.
My issue is that I feel we must guard the gifts God has given us, because they are for His glory. I think it is wrong to use God given gifts for other purposes other than anything that would glorify God's kingdom.
So I do hope that God is glorified in all of this, that would be awesome!
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yeah - me too. I am optimistic about Jakes. I have great difficulty in swallowing the "showmanship" but OP have their own share of that.
Still find it strange that he (Jakes) came out in favor of Obama though...
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-24-2008, 05:28 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Billy Grahams ministry is nothing to be compared. He didn't have a mega church. He always preached the gospel..He was an evangelist. He didn't make a killing off the gospel.
If national exposure for Jakes is what it is, I don't think God is in it. Let's get back to the word. We are to magnify HIM...not our tents, not our names, not our ministries.
Compare the first church with today. It was drastically different. The church was the "invisible church"...they died for the gospel, not "got rich off the gospel"....All this notoriety for named preachers seems to run counter to what I read in the bible.
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Billy Graham preached the gospel? I guess it depends on what you call the gospel.
From what I see in scripture, my conclusion is that Billy Graham has never preached the gospel.
Graham has never preached Jesus name baptism. He never preached the infilling/ baptism of the Holy Ghost.
I have serious doubts that the man even has the Holy Ghost.
But that's another story.
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11-24-2008, 05:29 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Billy Grahams ministry is nothing to be compared. He didn't have a mega church. He always preached the gospel..He was an evangelist. He didn't make a killing off the gospel.
If national exposure for Jakes is what it is, I don't think God is in it. Let's get back to the word. We are to magnify HIM...not our tents, not our names, not our ministries.
Compare the first church with today. It was drastically different. The church was the "invisible church"...they died for the gospel, not "got rich off the gospel"....All this notoriety for named preachers seems to run counter to what I read in the bible.
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Billy Graham preached the gospel? That's a joke, right?
I guess it depends on what you call the gospel.
From what I see in scripture, my conclusion is that Billy Graham has never preached the gospel.
Graham has never preached Jesus name baptism. He never preached the infilling/ baptism of the Holy Ghost.
I have serious doubts that the man even has the Holy Ghost.
But that's another story.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I'm T France, and I approved this message.
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11-24-2008, 06:05 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by SecretWarrior
All this is, is christian celebrity-ism that has polluted ministry. I don't believe God is in a million miles of Jakes being a T.V. host.
The dominion theory is at the base of these choices made by men and women called to preach the gospel and hated by all nations for his name sake. Dominion Theory (taking over the culture for Christ) is a false teaching that allows believers to make secular decisions that are adverse to the word of God. Jake's popularity with the world is a sign of corrosion.
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hmmm... I would have to think on that one. If Dominion Theory is as you define then perhaps I too believe in it.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-24-2008, 06:06 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
I very much believe Billy Graham preached the gospel.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-24-2008, 06:19 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Billy Graham preached the gospel? I guess it depends on what you call the gospel.
From what I see in scripture, my conclusion is that Billy Graham has never preached the gospel.
Graham has never preached Jesus name baptism. He never preached the infilling/ baptism of the Holy Ghost.
I have serious doubts that the man even has the Holy Ghost.
But that's another story.
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You're making a semantic argument to avoid the point. Graham didn't preach psycho babble junk. He always preached a salvational message whether you agree with it or not.
Jakes doesn't preach Acts 2:38 any more than Graham did. That is all beside the point
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-24-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Its not for me to say he is in the will of God or not. In the end, time will tell.
I can see why some would have serious reservations about this; and I'm a wary of this situation myself, because it seems to me that the more popular with the secular world a preacher becomes, the more of a tendeny he has to start watering down and compromising certain things. I pray that Jakes doesnt fall into that trap.
However, like him or not, Jakes apprears to be in the process of becoming America's most prominent preacher, a position Billy Graham has held for decades. Whether you agree with him or not on some things, Jakes is baptized in Jesus name and Holy Ghost filled, and is now is a position to really be greatly be used by God in ways that no Pentecostal preacher has in our lifetime.
On one hand, Jakes could end up compromising, and thus do damage to the cause of the gospel in America. Or this could end up opening a door for the Word of God to reach my unchurched people, to the eventual salvation of many souls. Either way, none of us really knows. Time will tell. So if anything, I think we should reserve judgment for now, and keep the man in our prayers.
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Wonderful even-keeled, level-headed post. I do appreciate your comments.
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11-24-2008, 06:31 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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MP!!!!!
When did you move to Omaha?
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DUDE! Where you been?
I moved to Omaha in March of 2007!
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11-24-2008, 06:33 PM
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Re: JAKES Announces New CBS Talk show in '09!!!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Not necessarily. It's insane to think we have to jump at every opportunity before finding out if it was God's will or not.
How about prayer, the word of God? God has already given us wisdom and the direction we are to take. Often we don't need a special word from Got to know. I already know by the word of God not to enter into a sexual relationship with someone I am not married to by the word of God....but I would not doubt how confused our world is that there are some that think it might be God's will and way to find a wife if the opportunity presents itself
I think, as I said before, we need to rethink American Christianity again and the path and purpose for the church and all of us as Christians called to serve him
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I was speaking of TD Jakes' "IF".
IF this is the will of GOd for him, time will prove it, if not, time will disprove it.
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