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10-07-2009, 06:09 PM
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Incredible India
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
Indeed Steve. I think forums such as this and it's predecessors have given a safe place for laity to question some of the off the wall teachings some of us have sat under.
I think that may why a place like wedeclare popped up the other day.
This questioning of "apostolic heritage" doctrines is probably the real burr under the tail of those preacher posters that have recently been on a rant here on this forum.
Many preachers just cannot stand to be questioned by a saint who has done some studying.
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Why is that? I mean where does that come from, why can't people ask questions?
Is it being controlling? I have had a pastor like that who you could not question-it was like you were being disrespectful if you did.
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10-07-2009, 06:14 PM
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
It's sad that Pentecostalism is disdained by the very folks who decry a loss of "the old paths."
It's treated like the ugly step-sister nobody wants to dance with.
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Dancing is of the debil...  ...so the USSNWTDW should rejoice no one will dance with her......... 
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10-07-2009, 07:20 PM
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HE is ALL WE NEED!
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Well good for you!  |
I don't know why people want to focus on negativity, when
JESUS died for our sins AND rose again! 
to ME, that is sufficient reason to be POSITIVE, all the time!
There are things that only He can & should "fix" IF they need
fixin.
Elizabeth, it most defiinitely IS a good thing for me, thank YOU!
AND the good news is that it can also be for anyone
whom so chooses., "labels" not required.
*scuse my rant*
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10-07-2009, 08:48 PM
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by John Atkinson
Rules are conducive to good order. Every group of people be it the church or the fish and game club will have rules.
We err when we elevate some rules to the status of "word of God". And then enforce those rules to the hurt and possibly spiritual death of people.
Murder is subjective, there are a few churches and pastors in the movement that have murdered and mutilated a persons chance at eternity because they/he felt that they had to line those people up.
When Jesus just wanted to make them feel loved, safe and cared for.
Like in everything, we need to have and exercise wisdom.
It is sad that that particular commodity seems in such short supply.
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Amen and AMEN Especially the "We err when we elevate some rules to the status of 'word of God'" part.
Rules are necessary and often good. But when the "rules" are not in the word of God, then we should be able to choose what "church club" we want to be a part of. Then it would be best if all the "clubs" didn't club each other to death just because they don't have the same rule book.
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10-07-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
Ask a typical Apostolic what the gospel is.
You may be surprised at the answer.
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That is easy!;
- Acts 2:38
- Women not cutting their hair
- Women not wearing makeup
- Women not wearing pants
- Women not cutting their hair
- Not going to movie Theaters
- Not going to ball games
How am I doing?
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-07-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
It's sad.
It's sad that we are fighting a spirit that places more value in rules than people.
It's sad that any measure of rule enforcement is permissable, with no regard for who get hurts.
It's sad that some of us have lost the ability to be empathetic and compassionate.
It's sad that we love our rules more than we love our God.
It's sad that we love our doctrines more than we love the Truth.
It's sad that we can have bitterness and hatred in our hearts and still feel justified simply because we have not committed murder.
It's sad that we focus on our looks more than our attitudes.
It's sad that humans are comforted by their own morality instead of the rest and peace Jesus paid for.
It's sad that we measure ourselves against each other instead of Jesus.
It's sad that we've replaced Jesus with our works.
It's sad.
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Clearly another UPCer who is "going charismatic". I suppose next you will be posting threads about the fruit of the Spirit.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-07-2009, 09:15 PM
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the ultracon
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by CC1
That is easy!;
- Acts 2:38
- Women not cutting their hair
- Women not wearing makeup
- Women not wearing pants
- Women not cutting their hair
- Not going to movie Theaters
- Not going to ball games
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Don't fergit...no bifurcated garments fo rthe lady folks.
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10-07-2009, 09:19 PM
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by CC1
Clearly another UPCer who is "going charismatic". I suppose next you will be posting threads about the fruit of the Spirit.
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 goin backwards is 'fruitless' so I doubt it.
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10-07-2009, 10:06 PM
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
This is true.
I know a preacher who says that when he gets new people, he spends the next few months preaching just as hard and rough as he can. If they're still there after that, he knows their hearts are right.
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I believe it, but that is ridiculous.
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10-07-2009, 10:09 PM
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crakjak
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Re: It's Sad.
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
It's sad that we rarely hear any preaching about Jesus.
Most preaching has become issue based.
It's either about grace or legalism with no regard for the person of Jesus, at all.
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You are not talking about our church, it is very Christ centrist!!
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