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01-05-2010, 10:08 PM
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
Summation of RevDWW's post:
Always weigh in on the side of mercy.
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I'm humbled just to be summarized by Edward Anglin!  [ that's a manly brotherly hug]
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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01-05-2010, 10:06 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
And then we realize how utterly miserable our attempts at spirituality really are. Humbling.
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01-06-2010, 12:40 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
"It's all just a game."
Years passed, and I didn't see or hear from the fallen minister at all. You know how it works. Over time, he was forgotten. Written off. It was as if he had fallen off the face of the earth. Not even worthy of discussion unless someone was preaching a "Trophies of Hell" message.
And as fifteen years have flown by, I've watched the guys who viciously maligned this man follow the same road he travelled.
The reasons they walked away were varied, but all who left spoke with one voice. "It's just a game!"
And now I have been around long enough to understand what they meant.
When a man is serious about his relationship with God, and is passionate about knowing Truth, he searches everything out, questioning everything he's been taught with the goal of defending, strengthening and teaching that which he has been given.
Along the way, in Oneness Pentecostalism, he is apt to find numerous inconsistencies and hypocricies. This is the case in most every religion, and I understand well that we are not alone in duplicity.
However, at a certain age, men start to realize that there is probably less life ahead of them than behind them. The scale of life starts to tip, and eternity comes into full view. At this point, Truth becomes paramount, and ministries are reconfigured to reveal "necessary things" with no regard for fluff.
When this sort of rebirth occurs, one can find oneself on the outside looking in, a pariah to those with whom he found comfort and sanctuary in times past. At this point, he is confronted with a harsh reality. He is forced to prove what he values most - friendships, or Truth.
If he is honest with himself and God, and relinquishes doctrines of men, he will lose everything familiar. If he squelches inner truth, he will survive in his organization, and maintain acceptance within his social circle - at the expense of a good conscience.
And all the while he struggles inwardly, he is confronted with published doctrines that many trumpet, but few live by. He is faced with the glaring inconsistencies of decades-old standards that are loosely maintained through peer pressure and legalistic control. He begins to realize that his life is more about presentation than relationship, conformity than Truth and acceptance than Christ-following.
At this point, he realizes that this way can become a game, the goal of which is to restrain oneself, swallowing all of the inconsistencies and denying much of what you have discovered in the Word that turns previously held beliefs on their head.
All to maintain peace with, and respect amongst, peers.
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In my experience of what some would refer to as "walking away" (certainly from the majority style/approach), I have come to view a particular fundamental premise in the membership of God's anointed body; to compare oneself with another is to be VOID of wisdom....yet this vain pursuit is almost quintessential within the carnal mind's ambition.
The "gaming" is just one more word to express the human politic that is so woven in the fabric of all man-clubs. Clubs are very worthwhile support systems but they make very poor gods.
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01-06-2010, 12:55 PM
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
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Originally Posted by tbpew
In my experience of what some would refer to as "walking away" (certainly from the majority style/approach), I have come to view a particular fundamental premise in the membership of God's anointed body; to compare oneself with another is to be VOID of wisdom....yet this vain pursuit is almost quintessential within the carnal mind's ambition.
The "gaming" is just one more word to express the human politic that is so woven in the fabric of all man-clubs. Clubs are very worthwhile support systems but they make very poor gods.
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Wise words!
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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02-05-2011, 08:07 PM
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Tired of it.
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
Inspiring and thought provoking thread. I think I missed it before as well.
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Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. — André Gide
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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02-06-2011, 12:29 AM
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz
Inspiring and thought provoking thread. I think I missed it before as well.
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I also missed this last year.
Excellent post!
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Common sense is genius dressed in working clothes.
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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
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02-05-2011, 10:31 PM
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Re: >>>"It's All Just a Game."
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Originally Posted by EA
"It's all just a game."
That's what a preacher told me, fifteen years ago, immediately after turning in his license with the UPC, and walking away from Oneness Pentecostalism for good.
At the time I thought he must just be bitter over something, and that maybe he was looking to justify a desire to "go Charismatic." After all, why would someone just up and walk away, after being raised in this his whole life, pastoring for decades, and raising his kids in this way? It just didn't seem right, and I was sure he was just plain bitter and backslidden.
Over time, I watched him sever all ties with this way, walking away from every friend and association he previously held dear. It bothered me. After all, if a seasoned minister was succeptible to this sort of radical change, could I fall prey to the pull of gradualism, as well?
As a twenty-something, I listened as my contemporaries spoke of him with contempt.
"Compromiser."
"Backslider."
"Charismatic."
"Liberal."
To my knowledge, not one of them had ever spoken with him about his decision, what led him to leave, and why he considered this way a game. Still, I listened to them, and assumed their assessment must be right.
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Years passed, and I didn't see or hear from the fallen minister at all. You know how it works. Over time, he was forgotten. Written off. It was as if he had fallen off the face of the earth. Not even worthy of discussion unless someone was preaching a "Trophies of Hell" message.
And as fifteen years have flown by, I've watched the guys who viciously maligned this man follow the same road he travelled.
The reasons they walked away were varied, but all who left spoke with one voice. "It's just a game!"
And now I have been around long enough to understand what they meant.
When a man is serious about his relationship with God, and is passionate about knowing Truth, he searches everything out, questioning everything he's been taught with the goal of defending, strengthening and teaching that which he has been given.
Along the way, in Oneness Pentecostalism, he is apt to find numerous inconsistencies and hypocricies. This is the case in most every religion, and I understand well that we are not alone in duplicity.
However, at a certain age, men start to realize that there is probably less life ahead of them than behind them. The scale of life starts to tip, and eternity comes into full view. At this point, Truth becomes paramount, and ministries are reconfigured to reveal "necessary things" with no regard for fluff.
When this sort of rebirth occurs, one can find oneself on the outside looking in, a pariah to those with whom he found comfort and sanctuary in times past. At this point, he is confronted with a harsh reality. He is forced to prove what he values most - friendships, or Truth.
If he is honest with himself and God, and relinquishes doctrines of men, he will lose everything familiar. If he squelches inner truth, he will survive in his organization, and maintain acceptance within his social circle - at the expense of a good conscience.
And all the while he struggles inwardly, he is confronted with published doctrines that many trumpet, but few live by. He is faced with the glaring inconsistencies of decades-old standards that are loosely maintained through peer pressure and legalistic control. He begins to realize that his life is more about presentation than relationship, conformity than Truth and acceptance than Christ-following.
At this point, he realizes that this way can become a game, the goal of which is to restrain oneself, swallowing all of the inconsistencies and denying much of what you have discovered in the Word that turns previously held beliefs on their head.
All to maintain peace with, and respect amongst, peers.
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Excellent post!!!
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