How the TSA shakes down a fully armed squad

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. That simply means you're not going to fly. It's your choice.

When I choose to fly... has that causes sufficient warrant that I be searched?

And then, if so, do the fine, respectful & upstanding young gentlemen in the TSA have a warrant with my name on it and the specific items they are searching for?

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You do not have a Constitutional right to fly, drive, etc. Driving is a previledge. The option to fly is a service rendered by the airline. By choosing to fly, you're choosing to abide by aviation security standards. It's YOUR choice. You can rent a private plane or drive if you're unhappy with the security measures.

Driving is definatley a privilage, however, nobody is allowed to search my car without probable cause.
The authorties can't pull me over unless I'm breaking some kind of law.

If the screening made more sense I don't think people would be so up in arms. But when a three year old is subjected to a pat down but Muslim women may be getting a pass and do so now to a certain extent....the people don't have the trust neccessary to make it possible for the TSA to pull this off.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm willing to wager that in a lot of these cases of alleged "groping" it's TSA cowboys who are going too far. They need to be disciplined.

dude the new standard is for them to actually rub your junk... twice...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Still pushing big government. BIG fat beureaucrats.

Groping 70 year old grannies with metal hips has prevented a lot of bombings.



Ignorance and lack of common sense is the biggest enemy.

The government is not only many times too large, they hire the low end of workers.

Coadie, it's the government's job to protect life, liberty, and property. That means protecting the boarders and citizens from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Funny Coadie... you think the GOVERNMENT should define our private choices regarding bedroom partners and spouses... but you don't think the GOVERNMENT's job is to protect citizens from terrorists. Who's side are you on???

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by sandie

Driving is definatley a privilage, however, nobody is allowed to search my car without probable cause.
The authorties can't pull me over unless I'm breaking some kind of law.

If the screening made more sense I don't think people would be so up in arms. But when a three year old is subjected to a pat down but Muslim women may be getting a pass and do so now to a certain extent....the people don't have the trust neccessary to make it possible for the TSA to pull this off.

actuall that is also no longer true... and it makes me very very mad.

so long as the government (police) are treating everyone the same, they can pull everyone over and search.

the supreme court has ruled this.

a case in Louisiana was brought because of DUI check points. they were stopping all cars and checking for alcohol. someone took it to the court and the court ruled they can stop everyone but they cannot single one person out without probable cause.

I think it is stupid. I think a check point is a serious constitutional violation but it is legal these days.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I didnt say that at all. it is one of the few things the government should do.

what I said is that the government has stricter standards for search than a private company has.

look at it this way.

If I say "President Smith is a stupid @*(@ #$%$% **&(( *(%^*" the federal government has no right to challenge me at all.

however, my employer can fire me for saying something that is not in keepign with thier private standards.


the same with the TSA. a private company can demand a far more strict search standard than the federal government can. the government must have probable cause. a company can say "if you fly with us, you have to submit to this search"

what we have right now is a very strange brew. it is a govenment/private company hybred that fails the sniff test.

that is very bad and dangerous to the republic.

but even more importantly, there are better methods of finding the bad guys. that is what bothers me.

Let's assume you work for the TSA and a federal security directive is issued for a certain procedure that is invasive. The directive is issued because of creditable threats. Do you now have probable cause to become more invasive?

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Ferd

dude the new standard is for them to actually rub your junk... twice...

That's just not right.
Why is this happening now? When we had to start removing our shoes we knew why, same for liquids.
Did I miss something?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

But do I have an inalienable right that I not have my person, property or home searched without proper warrant?

once more with feeling..... no you dont

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Ferd

actuall that is also no longer true... and it makes me very very mad.

so long as the government (police) are treating everyone the same, they can pull everyone over and search.

the supreme court has ruled this.

a case in Louisiana was brought because of DUI check points. they were stopping all cars and checking for alcohol. someone took it to the court and the court ruled they can stop everyone but they cannot single one person out without probable cause.

I think it is stupid. I think a check point is a serious constitutional violation but it is legal these days.

So, I'm driving along and a policeman can just pull me over because he wants to? I don't have to be breaking a law?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

But do I have an inalienable right that I not have my person, property or home searched without proper warrant?

It is coming. People will vote another batch out of office if this last batch wasn't enough.

We see 3 activist judges canned. There will be more. We will see some huge numbers of lawsuits.

I say this very bluntly, buying an airplane ticket is NOT implied consent to sexual misconduct.

I also know the non degreed minions that are messing with passengers are being told legal claims that will not hold up in court. The IRS tells it's flunkies things that are found to be false in tax appeals courts.

I know the first medical malpractice lawyer to hit a 15 million dollar year. That is a long time ago. There will be lawyers hit 1 million real quick winning sexual molestation and misconduct settlements.

It is going to be easy to find judges that will award sexual harrassment charges. Even in rental laws, there is an implied waranty of peaceful enjoyment pattern. We have a right to fly without being molested.