The Real Delegate Count - it's not over

[Esther]

So PO what are you suggesting we do? Allow BO another 4 years?

[aegsm76]

That is exactly what PO wants.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

BTW, I checked in with the person that I quoted earlier and this was the response:

"The church is in total control of your life, marriage, finances, etc. Does that sound like a freedom foundation to you? It is the same with inheritance. Everything you accumulate is supposed to go to the church when you die. They are the government, they tell you what the new revelations are and changes in doctrine. The church is basically your total controlling factor in your life. That is a form of socialism."

So, really, I can see why a lot of his policies in Massachusetts were not only Liberal, but Socialistic. He's already said they were going to work with the Healthcare bill. At first he said they would repeal, but that has never been his intention. He wants universal healthcare.

Sorry, I don't see any reason to vote for either candidate.

This is a bit much PO.

First off, the church is hardly that controling. As a matter of fact its not "controling" at all. It may be "suggestive", but you have the option to follow or not.

On another note, your friend is seperating "church" from "scripture". If what the church "suggest" is scripture and you choose to follow then are you being controled by the church or by scripture? See what I mean?

Now, taking that into consideration, our very walk with God is socialist. We are to give Him everything He ask in faith that He will take care of us. I do and He does.

On the healthcare part, I agree, Romney should try to work with it. There are parts of the bill that are really good legislation and some parts are not. I hope when the smoke clears we will be able to keep the good. But if I understand right, it was written in a way that either all of it has to be accepted or none of it can be. Really bad stipulation to insert on Obama's part.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Just go to some ex-pentecostal websites and you will find those that say the same.

The "movement" doesn't operate in that fashion. Just some overbearing leadership in some places. At least, that has been my experience, so I tend not to broadbrush.

Originally Posted by scotty

This is a bit much PO.

First off, the church is hardly that controling. As a matter of fact its not "controling" at all. It may be "suggestive", but you have the option to follow or not.

On another note, your friend is seperating "church" from "scripture". If what the church "suggest" is scripture and you choose to follow then are you being controled by the church or by scripture? See what I mean?

Now, taking that into consideration, our very walk with God is socialist. We are to give Him everything He ask in faith that He will take care of us. I do and He does.

On the healthcare part, I agree, Romney should try to work with it. There are parts of the bill that are really good legislation and some parts are not. I hope when the smoke clears we will be able to keep the good. But if I understand right, it was written in a way that either all of it has to be accepted or none of it can be. Really bad stipulation to insert on Obama's part.

I'm just relaying some facts that a person, whose wife was raised Mormon, was explaining to him. Why would I dispute what he is sharing? You can read a whole lot about Mormonism and read conversations by ex-Mormons at Carm.

And on the healthcare issue, from Romney's mouth, "I like mandates." He wants to bring it to the state level under the 10th Amendment, but it is still a mandate, and it is still very costly to the taxpayer as it is on the Federal level. There is enough information about the Massachusetts healthcare that it only survives because it is subsidized by the Government.

Politics is dirty business, huh?

But, there is hope. I understand that the Romney campaign app lets you see what his positions are. And it refreshes every 5 minutes so you can see the changes.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esther

So PO what are you suggesting we do? Allow BO another 4 years?

I think that people can vote for whoever they want, of course. What I'm not going to do is sit by and start supporting Romney as though he is the solution to our problems. He aligns quite well, on his records, as a Liberal.

Really, the real issue and problem, when you check it out - the Republicans have done nothing to really stop the Democrats policies. They haven't tried all that hard. Our country is headed in the same direction with both parties, one moves us along a little slower, but we get there in the end.

I guess I'm fed up and refuse to cooperate. And I will continue to vet ORomney.

[Pressing-On]

Romney's Transition Leader Favors Implementing Obamacare

One of the few Republicans in the country who's been tirelessly pushing for the implementation of Obamacare at the state level has been tapped to head Mitt Romney's transition team, should he become president.

Should the Supreme Court strike down only a portion of Obamacare, it seems clear Leavitt would be a major voice in deciding how to replace it. And he is convinced that "exchanges are part of the future, no matter what."

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Romney...37;28page%29/2

This is a signal that is worrisome to conservatives holding out hope that Romney will live up to his promises to fight for limited government if elected.

[BeenThinkin]

I think maybe PO may be Seascapes in disguise. Just sayin!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

I think maybe PO may be Seascapes in disguise. Just sayin!

Too funny!

"I cannot and will not stand by and see this great country destroy itself. Our leaders attempt to blame their failures on circumstances beyond their control, on false estimates by unknown, unidentifiable experts who rewrite modern history in an attempt to convince us our high standard of living, the result of thrift and hard work, is somehow selfish extravagance which we must renounce as we join in sharing scarcity. I don't agree that our nation must resign itself to inevitable decline, yielding its proud position to other hands. I am totally unwilling to see this country fail in its obligation to itself and to the other free peoples of the world."- Ronald W. Reagan

And here's Romney in a debate with Ted Kennedy - ""Look, I was an Independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."

And I do agree with Charles Krauthammer - "Romney doesn't have fluency with conservative ideas."

[AreYouReady?]

When I go to the produce department in the grocery store and I am looking at produce to buy, I am looking for the most freshest, firmest produce that I know I am going to consume to nourish my body. Old, stale, soft, and rotted areas will make my body sick instead of giving it strength to get through another day of work. Who wants a bell pepper or a tomato that the skin is wrinkled and when you bite into it, it smells or tastes bad?

Perhaps when the american people are faced with a choice of either buying a rotten tomato or a rotten potato, they try to suck it in and find the "good" in one or the other. After all, it's the only food on the table offered for sale and you just think that you have to buy it because it is all that the owners selling this produce have put out. Pretty soon we are saying, well, we might get more nutrition out of that potato because the tomato is pretty wilted. It's been around for a while...but then so has the potato, but it might last a while longer.

How many of us will actually buy from a choice of 2 automobiles .... both have a history known to be lemons?

Why are the american people being given a choice of two lemons to pick from? I won't buy a lemon auto, or a rotten tomato. So why should I be expected to vote for one of 2 men who I do not agree with their policies and with what directions they say that they want to take our great country in? I don't want someone telling me that the potato is the lesser of two evils. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Why is it that people always want the one who will not obey God?

We fell for the hope and change mantra 4 years ago. We got hopeless change.

What does Romney offer to us that will bring us out of hopeless change? He doesn't even worship the same Father God, Creator, Savior that I do. At least Saul answered to God when he was king. Even Pharaoh learned who God was during Exodus.


I personally do not think that either one of them will make America the great country she once was. Only God can do that and I do not see that either one of them will humble themselves before our Creator God and seek His help in turning around this country for it's citizens.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that people can vote for whoever they want, of course. What I'm not going to do is sit by and start supporting Romney as though he is the solution to our problems. He aligns quite well, on his records, as a Liberal.

Really, the real issue and problem, when you check it out - the Republicans have done nothing to really stop the Democrats policies. They haven't tried all that hard. Our country is headed in the same direction with both parties, one moves us along a little slower, but we get there in the end.

I guess I'm fed up and refuse to cooperate. And I will continue to vet ORomney.

I agree with how you feel, however as I see it we have one of two choices R or O. Under no circumstance do I want O.