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Old 03-31-2013, 09:31 PM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?

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Cause truthseeker has Selective hearing.
Apparently Seekerman does as well. I still cannot believe how he described the sermon I linked. Incredible.

A message explaining how Christ views his bride as being perfect and clothed in his own righteousness, looking beyond her failures and even referring to her as his own righteousness. A message aimed at Christians who constantly feel like they don't measure up and are trying to feel accepted by God by embracing more standards, giving more money, doing more work in the church, shouting louder and dancing harder....and how Christ wants them to understand that he sees them as holy and blameless because he has clothed them with a beautiful wedding garment sewn of his own righteousness and holiness. Please explain how that is NOT grace!!
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On the other hand I have never heard a teaching on Hell either. Ive heard it mentioned as a snippet of some other topic but never a whole teaching. In Church that is.
I have...
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:34 PM
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Cause truthseeker has Selective hearing.
And how do you know this?
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Apparently Seekerman does as well. I still cannot believe how he described the sermon I linked. Incredible.

A message explaining how Christ views his bride as being perfect and clothed in his own righteousness, looking beyond her failures and even referring to her as his own righteousness. A message aimed at Christians who constantly feel like they don't measure up and are trying to feel accepted by God by embracing more standards, giving more money, doing more work in the church, shouting louder and dancing harder....and how Christ wants them to understand that he sees them as holy and blameless because he has clothed them with a beautiful wedding garment sewn of his own righteousness and holiness. Please explain how that is NOT grace!!
Sounds like grace to me. Your post that is
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?

People hear what they want to hear.....
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:31 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?

I know others who notice the same. But once again just their experience.
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?

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Apparently Seekerman does as well. I still cannot believe how he described the sermon I linked. Incredible.

A message explaining how Christ views his bride as being perfect and clothed in his own righteousness, looking beyond her failures and even referring to her as his own righteousness. A message aimed at Christians who constantly feel like they don't measure up and are trying to feel accepted by God by embracing more standards, giving more money, doing more work in the church, shouting louder and dancing harder....and how Christ wants them to understand that he sees them as holy and blameless because he has clothed them with a beautiful wedding garment sewn of his own righteousness and holiness. Please explain how that is NOT grace!!
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?

I have heard Grace preached about in oneness Pentecostal churches. I also had a bible teacher print out and distribute an article on the many dimensions of God's grace. Grace usually comes through somewhere as an aspect of God's character when a good preacher expounds on the Word. I notice that many evangelists are excellent at conveying God's love and Grace, which is what people need to hear at the beginning of their walk with God or when they need restoration. Sometimes people need to hear a difficult truth, but it usually comes with some encouragement.
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?

All the time have I heard it taught. Do we hear the Protestant/Calvinist/OSAS/EASY BELIEVISM version of grace? no!

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Old 04-01-2013, 06:14 AM
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So am I...how come we are hearing different things?
because many come in here with agendas with a slanted theological of view THEIR VIEW OF GRACE and they complain OP's don't teach it to their satisfaction. They ignore the true message of grace but focus on negation of responsibility due to provisional grace instead focusing imputed righteousness.
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