Are they sure the second child died because of no doctor treatment, or could it be ... that they are guilty of doing something to the children causing their deaths? Hmm. What an incredibly sad story.
It is morons like this and others who allow children to die from easily treatable illnesses which causes politicians to overreact and force OTHERS to engage in more extreme treatments such as chemo, even when the odds of a favorable outcome of such treatments are FAR less than say, giving a little girl an insulin shot and thus saving her life.
Shaking my head. This is probably why it's so hard to preach and teach faith to people. God is the same as He was in the bible, as He is today. He's able to do the same miracles and healings that he did in the bible, as He is today.
When you talk to people about this, it's almost always the same response. That they didn't have the technology that we have now, so they had to depend on God, but now we have technology, more knowledge and science, so just about leave God all out of it, and depend on man(doctors, medicine). And then if the men (doctors) can't help you, then depend on God, when you should have been sitting down and depending on God all along.
And then when someone decides to strive to obey the bible, and depend on God, they're ridiculed for it, if it doesn't have the outcome that people think should be.
If someone is living all that they know to do that is right, and have faith in God, in what He is more than able to do, and prays for healing of something, and God doesn't will it to be so, and doesn't do it, I'm not going to charge God foolishly. God has His reasons for everything.
I'm not necessarily defending this couple, since I don't know anything about them really. Just talking out of irritation at this constant mindset.
I've been healed and delivered by God enough times, from small afflictions, to great ones, whereas I was almost close to death. And every time it was by God, and through God, and not medicine or doctors....
__________________ Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Shaking my head. This is probably why it's so hard to preach and teach faith to people. God is the same as He was in the bible, as He is today. He's able to do the same miracles and healings that he did in the bible, as He is today.
When you talk to people about this, it's almost always the same response. That they didn't have the technology that we have now, so they had to depend on God, but now we have technology, more knowledge and science, so just about leave God all out of it, and depend on man(doctors, medicine). And then if the men (doctors) can't help you, then depend on God, when you should have been sitting down and depending on God all along.
And then when someone decides to strive to obey the bible, and depend on God, they're ridiculed for it, if it doesn't have the outcome that people think should be.
If someone is living all that they know to do that is right, and have faith in God, in what He is more than able to do, and prays for healing of something, and God doesn't will it to be so, and doesn't do it, I'm not going to charge God foolishly. God has His reasons for everything.
I'm not necessarily defending this couple, since I don't know anything about them really. Just talking out of irritation at this constant mindset.
I've been healed and delivered by God enough times, from small afflictions, to great ones, whereas I was almost close to death. And every time it was by God, and through God, and not medicine or doctors....
If Jesus had an issue with physicians, do you think He would have chosen one to be one of his disciples?
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
I read this today on a news site before coming here. It caused me great sadness as this is one more thing that is a black eye on Christianity. Even though they represent an extreme minority of Christians in their beliefs and actions.
While I believe in religious freedom I think they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for what is now the second death of an innocent child they have been responsible for.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
What I want to know is if you aren't really supposed to rely only on God for things like healing, and if you do you will be called a moron by fellow believers, what are you supposed to rely on God for? I mean, in this life.
Reminds of when I poked some fun at Carrie Underwood's song "Jesus Take the Wheel", referring to the Carrie Underwood School of Defensive Driving. Someone pointed out that nobody actually would do what the song depicts - actually taking hands of the steering wheel and letting Jesus drive, and that you let Jesus guide you in other ways.
So now I'm wondering: in what aspects of your life does it make sense to let Jesus "drive"? And I'm thinking the answer is this: in areas where you wouldn't actually know if Jesus helped you or not. And in areas that wouldn't ruin your life if he didn't help you. Maybe he did help you get a good grade on that test; or maybe you studied. Maybe he pulled some strings to get you a promotion at work; or maybe you deserved it.
(BTW, I bet there are some people who would let go of the wheel and let Jesus drive in some situations! )
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
What I want to know is if you aren't really supposed to rely only on God for things like healing, and if you do you will be called a moron by fellow believers, what are you supposed to rely on God for? I mean, in this life.
Reminds of when I poked some fun at Carrie Underwood's song "Jesus Take the Wheel", referring to the Carrie Underwood School of Defensive Driving. Someone pointed out that nobody actually would do what the song depicts - actually taking hands of the steering wheel and letting Jesus drive, and that you let Jesus guide you in other ways.
So now I'm wondering: in what aspects of your life does it make sense to let Jesus "drive"? And I'm thinking the answer is this: in areas where you wouldn't actually know if Jesus helped you or not. And in areas that wouldn't ruin your life if he didn't help you. Maybe he did help you get a good grade on that test; or maybe you studied. Maybe he pulled some strings to get you a promotion at work; or maybe you deserved it.
(BTW, I bet there are some people who would let go of the wheel and let Jesus drive in some situations! )
The answer is simple. God is capable of instantaneous or progressive healing all by himself but he also has given man intelligence to make his life better through knowledge. I think it is a slap in God's face to ignore this gift of intellect and the benefits it can bring which is what someone is doing when they refuse to allow medical treatment.
Reminds me of the story about the man in the flood who refused a neighbors ride to safety in a 4 wheel drive SUV as the water started coming into the house on the grounds that "God would take care of him". A short time later as he was looking out the 2nd floor window because water had risen on the ground floor search and rescue came by with a boat and urged him to get in to be taken to safety. He once again declined saying that God would protect him. Before long he ended up on the roof of his house as the water continued to rise. a military helicopter came and hovered overhead and sent a rescuer down in a rope but the man sent the rescuer back up alone telling him that God would protect him.
The water soon completely covered the house and the man drowned. When he got to heaven in astonishment he asked the Lord "What am I doing here? I trusted you to save me!" To which the Lord replied "I sent a SUV, boat, and helicopter! What more did you want?
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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