Come Out Of Her My People

[Praxeas]

The early church ALWAYS worshiped in man made buildings. That they were someone's home is irrelevant. And the Jewish believers in Acts also met at the Temple

Also the RCC did not invent having a permanent place of worship

CHURCHES Literary evidence (Acts 1:13–14; 2:46) shows that the earliest congregational meetings of the disciples of Jesus, for prayer, the eucharist and the agape (a love-feast held in connection with the Lord’s supper) took place in private houses. The first archaeological evidence is the community house at Dura Europos, dated to the first half of the 3rd century AD. Built as a peristyle house (Houses) with a courtyard, several rooms on three sides and a portico on the fourth, it was altered in AD 231 to serve as a meeting-place for the city’s Christian community. The reception room with benches on three sides was connected with the adjacent room, providing space for 50–60 people. In another room a baptistery was installed.

Negev, A. (1990). The Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land (3rd ed.). New York: Prentice Hall Press.

Church meetings in homes was natural, just as it is when we first sent Missionaries out to other nations. The simple truth is they had to meet somewhere and it would take a long time to get the money to buy land and do construction especially in a nation that is antagonistic towards Christians...forcing them underground.

It wasn't a doctrine. It was a practice born out of necessity

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Amanah

With all due respect to all who have posted prior to me, I would like to give my opinion on the topic.

To me, there is nothing more precious than the revelation of the Oneness of God, the truth of Jesus name baptism, and being in a fellowship where people are receiving the Holy Ghost.

If I had to chose between A & B:

A) A place where there is a greater depth of anointing and understanding that accompanies the people of the name, people who pray, fast, and live separate from the world

-or-

B) A place where there is more personal freedom in dress, standards, ect, but the anointing and power of the Holy Ghost is hindered because of a lack of revelation, prayer/fasting, and consecration, resulting in people not receiving the Holy Ghost

I'd take choice A any day, because there is a lost world and unless I'm connected to the body, doing my part to seek and save those precious souls who Jesus died for, my life is making so much less impact then a person filled with the HG is purposed to make.

It is so not about me

Amen, Amanah. I too would choose A, if all the other things were in place and people were getting saved.
But so far, the Churches that I have been in, or visited, if there is a tight dress standard, it seems as though the people are also bound, with nothing happening in those churches.
And I wouldn't go to any of the Liberal churches like B,
The Spirit is hindered in both.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

Amen, Amanah. I too would choose A, if all the other things were in place and people were getting saved.
But so far, the Churches that I have been in, or visited, if there is a tight dress standard, it seems as though the people are also bound, with nothing happening in those churches.
And I wouldn't go to any of the Liberal churches like B,
The Spirit is hindered in both.

Wait...why would you want to go to a church when you believe they're a sin brought from the RCC?

[renee819]

I see that I don't belong on here. You men are mad. And actually if you are a Pastor, I can understand. But instead of trying to discus this, you resort to ridicule and making fun, and not trying to dialog.
There are a few sincere Christians on here, but I also see a half-hearted group that would rather talk about ball games and TV, than serious discussion. And no wonder. In serious discussion, you get slapped down. Even our foundation of the salvation in Acts is being eroded by people seeking an easier way. Or to be accepted by the world.

I'm not beyond correction, and I wish I was wrong about the condition of the Church. I wish I was wrong about, desiring to just go to a church and enjoying being there because I could feel the presence of God there. (I can feel God's presence more at home, in prayer, than I can in churches)

I wish I was wrong about the End-Times. But I know that I am not. I certainly don't look forward to Persecution, but it is coming.

I love the Church, very much. And it grieves me to the depths of my spirit to see what is happening. I wish some of you could feel the same burden that I feel in my spirit., Does any of you think that we are a model for the Early Church? Or was the Early Church a model for us?
If Jesus, Peter or Paul walked into your church, would they be welcome? If Jesus chased the money changers out, would there be anyone left? If Peter prayed for the sick, how many would be healed? Do you know that we need to get back to the basics? And if we don't, God will bring it about. When persecution comes, where will your church be then?

Jesus while walking on this earth, started no church. He taught the Apostles and gave them commandments of how to set up the Church. Do you think that in a hundred years, two hundred, there was no money to build church buildings? Or do you think they were poor Christians just trying to make do, with what they had. If God had wanted them to build big buildings, don't you think that He would have led Peter and Paul to do so?
I believe that they knew what building, buildings would lead to.

And guess what??? I know that I don't have a lot of the answers that we need. But I see, as plain as the examples on this Forum, that the Church is going downhill.
Don't you think it is time to take a fresh look at where we've been led. As well as ask God to give us a fresh anointing to rethink CHURCH. Knowing that each 'born again' individual is the temple of God, therefore HOW should we treat one another? HOW, should we meet? WHAT is our purpose in life?

My aim was to be constructive, not controversial, although I expected it. I hate controversy with a passion, but will not run from it on serious issues. But I will not stay where I'm not wanted either.
There seems to me to be several on here that have quit church, because of the very things that I have mentioned. A few are in house churches. Some that have went to the other Denominations, not knowing that they have plunged even deeper into Paganism.

I would hope that we could find some answers. But now I doubt it. When people EGO'S get in the way to the extent that they start mocking, ridiculing and making fun of something that they do not understand, because it is not traditional teaching, then for me the dialog is over.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The early church ALWAYS worshiped in man made buildings. That they were someone's home is irrelevant. And the Jewish believers in Acts also met at the Temple

Also the RCC did not invent having a permanent place of worship

CHURCHES Literary evidence (Acts 1:13–14; 2:46) shows that the earliest congregational meetings of the disciples of Jesus, for prayer, the eucharist and the agape (a love-feast held in connection with the Lord’s supper) took place in private houses. The first archaeological evidence is the community house at Dura Europos, dated to the first half of the 3rd century AD. Built as a peristyle house (Houses) with a courtyard, several rooms on three sides and a portico on the fourth, it was altered in AD 231 to serve as a meeting-place for the city’s Christian community. The reception room with benches on three sides was connected with the adjacent room, providing space for 50–60 people. In another room a baptistery was installed.

Negev, A. (1990). The Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land (3rd ed.). New York: Prentice Hall Press.

Church meetings in homes was natural, just as it is when we first sent Missionaries out to other nations. The simple truth is they had to meet somewhere and it would take a long time to get the money to buy land and do construction especially in a nation that is antagonistic towards Christians...forcing them underground.

It wasn't a doctrine. It was a practice born out of necessity

I have some brothers who are adamant about not having a CHURCH building.
One day we were all driving home from another friend's church meeting at his CHURCH building. While we were driving the brother in the back seat kept going on and on about the building, that God didn't want us to meet in buildings. I turned to him and said, "the early church always worshiped in man made buildings." That ended the discussion.

Thank you for the post.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by renee819

Amen, Amanah. I too would choose A, if all the other things were in place and people were getting saved.
But so far, the Churches that I have been in, or visited, if there is a tight dress standard, it seems as though the people are also bound, with nothing happening in those churches.
And I wouldn't go to any of the Liberal churches like B,
The Spirit is hindered in both.

There are churches where the standard is TIGHT DRESSES?

I bet they're bound, in those tight dresses.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by renee819

I see that I don't belong on here. You men are mad.

Sis maybe you should rethink how you approach topics by implying other members are pagans. Seriously...that's probably why they are poking fun at what you post

If you are going to suggest others are following pagan doctrines, you better have a thick skin for the responses you'll get. Unless you join a board where everyone already agrees with you, that's how it is going to be

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by renee819

I see that I don't belong on here. You men are mad. And actually if you are a Pastor, I can understand. But instead of trying to discus this, you resort to ridicule and making fun, and not trying to dialog.
There are a few sincere Christians on here, but I also see a half-hearted group that would rather talk about ball games and TV, than serious discussion. And no wonder. In serious discussion, you get slapped down. Even our foundation of the salvation in Acts is being eroded by people seeking an easier way. Or to be accepted by the world.

I'm not beyond correction, and I wish I was wrong about the condition of the Church. I wish I was wrong about, desiring to just go to a church and enjoying being there because I could feel the presence of God there. (I can feel God's presence more at home, in prayer, than I can in churches)

I wish I was wrong about the End-Times. But I know that I am not. I certainly don't look forward to Persecution, but it is coming.

I love the Church, very much. And it grieves me to the depths of my spirit to see what is happening. I wish some of you could feel the same burden that I feel in my spirit., Does any of you think that we are a model for the Early Church? Or was the Early Church a model for us?
If Jesus, Peter or Paul walked into your church, would they be welcome? If Jesus chased the money changers out, would there be anyone left? If Peter prayed for the sick, how many would be healed? Do you know that we need to get back to the basics? And if we don't, God will bring it about. When persecution comes, where will your church be then?

Jesus while walking on this earth, started no church. He taught the Apostles and gave them commandments of how to set up the Church. Do you think that in a hundred years, two hundred, there was no money to build church buildings? Or do you think they were poor Christians just trying to make do, with what they had. If God had wanted them to build big buildings, don't you think that He would have led Peter and Paul to do so?
I believe that they knew what building, buildings would lead to.

And guess what??? I know that I don't have a lot of the answers that we need. But I see, as plain as the examples on this Forum, that the Church is going downhill.
Don't you think it is time to take a fresh look at where we've been led. As well as ask God to give us a fresh anointing to rethink CHURCH. Knowing that each 'born again' individual is the temple of God, therefore HOW should we treat one another? HOW, should we meet? WHAT is our purpose in life?

My aim was to be constructive, not controversial, although I expected it. I hate controversy with a passion, but will not run from it on serious issues. But I will not stay where I'm not wanted either.
There seems to me to be several on here that have quit church, because of the very things that I have mentioned. A few are in house churches. Some that have went to the other Denominations, not knowing that they have plunged even deeper into Paganism.

I would hope that we could find some answers. But now I doubt it. When people EGO'S get in the way to the extent that they start mocking, ridiculing and making fun of something that they do not understand, because it is not traditional teaching, then for me the dialog is over.

Sister, don't leave, please please don't leave.

Come on, stick around.

Hey next time you are in Fort Lauderdale my wife and I will have you over for dinner.

Listen you said you can take correction? I thought I was being pretty nice and just pointing out what the preacher probably felt when on your third visit you gave him the Okey Doke with your on the fly questions. I was just trying to understand why you would fellowship with a group which obviously doesn't believe what you believe. Especially in a system which has one minister who would eventually put the shutdown on you if you became a trouble maker?
Not saying you are a trouble maker, because I don't know you, but you seem like a passionate person, and sometimes our passions (including me) can leave a pretty big wake.


Please don't be offended I like you. You have convictions, which you are adamant about, and that is a good thing. I'm totally against paganism just like you, the RCC, and Rabbinical Judaism, and its influence in the Church. So, let's start over, allow me to extend an olive branch to you and let's start all over again.

Ok?

So, can you show me in the Bible where Jesus and Paul taught against having church in buildings?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sis maybe you should rethink how you approach topics by implying other members are pagans. Seriously...that's probably why they are poking fun at what you post

If you are going to suggest others are following pagan doctrines, you better have a thick skin for the responses you'll get. Unless you join a board where everyone already agrees with you, that's how it is going to be

Bravo!

That is why you have the job you do on this forum.

Brother, high fives!

[renee819]

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The early church ALWAYS worshiped in man made buildings

That is another wisecrack, mockery. I never expected that angels built buildings. AS I SAID BEFORE, THE BUILDING IS NOT IMPORTANT. It is what goes on inside that is important. We are the Temple.